Kanye West: "Honestly, When I Listen to Radio, That Ain't Where I Want to Be No More.

[The Message]

How is it a marketing strategy when the shyt he's rhyming about now are the same things he rhymed about early in his career?

The dude has always been jaded, edgy and hypocritical to me. The thing that made him brilliant was that he made fun of it and brought a lightheartedness it. Doesnt look like theres anything funny about his lyrics this time lol To some cats that can come across as grandstanding and preachy. I just dont see it. Yall actin like he transformed from Gucci Mane to Stic Man overnight. How I see it - he was both them nikkas. lol Yall just wasnt listening to him hard enough before. lol

 

[Jigg]

How is it a marketing strategy when the shyt he's rhyming about now are the same things he rhymed about early in his career?

The dude has always been jaded, edgy and hypocritical to me. The thing that made him brilliant was that he made fun of it and brought a lightheartedness it. Doesnt look like theres anything funny about his lyrics this time lol To some cats that can come across as grandstanding and preachy. I just dont see it. Yall actin like he transformed from Gucci Mane to Stic Man overnight. How I see it - he was both them nikkas. lol Yall just wasnt listening to him hard enough before. lol

Exactly. Dudes on here have been acting like Kanye made a complete 180 and went through a complete image upheaval when the nikkas been talking that pro-black/materialism type shyt since he first came up. The only way you could think the whole edgy persona is contrived is if you've been listening to his albums on mute for the last decade or yall just found out about him last year when you heard nikkas in Paris/Mercy.

 

[OG Talk]

How is it a marketing strategy when the shyt he's rhyming about now are the same things he rhymed about early in his career?

The dude has always been jaded, edgy and hypocritical to me. The thing that made him brilliant was that he made fun of it and brought a lightheartedness it. Doesnt look like theres anything funny about his lyrics this time lol To some cats that can come across as grandstanding and preachy. I just dont see it. Yall actin like he transformed from Gucci Mane to Stic Man overnight. How I see it - he was both them nikkas. lol Yall just wasnt listening to him hard enough before. lol

Good analysis..

I always said that during his first album he was at a fork in the road where he had to chose between being Mos Def or Jay-Z...He seemed to always wrestle with that battle...We saw the choice he made..Now he says when he turns on the radio thats not where he wants to be...Ironically when I turn on the radio the first songs I hear is Clique and last summer it was Mercy and the summer before NIP...I don't know if he's saying he's unhappy with the direction his recent music is going, he just doesn't like how radio is sonically or if he's totally seperating himself from the rest of these "money, hoes, clothes" rappers that have dominated the post jiggy era...

I'm interested in finding out exactly what that statement means to him...

 

[Harry B]

I guess we got to could at least agree to disagree, but your "facts" about the fashion industry is opinions based on nothing. At least according to the people I know and from my interest, I don't know how interested you are or how much you know about the industry but it sounds like what someone who doesn't know would say.

And the industry did not laugh at his "attempt", he got some bad reviews though. Which he acknowledged as being his first try, can't fukk with people that have been doing it for 10-20 or 60 years full time. It's kind of corny of him to pull the race card on that..

Also, since when does 100 year + fashion houses like Louis Vuitton let celebrities design shyt? (not endorse, but design?)
Pharrell and Nigo are the ones I recall and Nigo is a real designer and Pharrell a creative clothing brand ceo.

 

[FRIED MASON]

Good analysis..

I always said that during his first album he was at a fork in the road where he had to chose between being Mos Def or Jay-Z...He seemed to always wrestle with that battle...We saw the choice he made..Now he says when he turns on the radio thats not where he wants to be...Ironically when I turn on the radio the first songs I hear is Clique and last summer it was Mercy and the summer before NIP...I don't know if he's saying he's unhappy with the direction his recent music is going, he just doesn't like how radio is sonically or if he's totally seperating himself from the rest of these "money, hoes, clothes" rappers that have dominated the post jiggy era...

I'm interested in finding out exactly what that statement means to him...

It means nothing... That fakkit ass nikka Kanye is saying a lot to say nothing.

His whole current gimmick is laughable... so was his illuminati/baphomet gimmick...

Kanye West is huge fakkit and one of the most overrated artists i've heard in the last decade.

 

[OG Talk]

It means nothing... That fakkit ass nikka Kanye is saying a lot to say nothing.

His whole current gimmick is laughable... so was his illuminati/baphomet gimmick...

Kanye West is huge fakkit and one of the most overrated artists i've heard in the last decade.

Well we will know when the album comes out...

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I guess we got to could at least agree to disagree, but your "facts" about the fashion industry is opinions based on nothing. At least according to the people I know and from my interest, I don't know how interested you are or how much you know about the industry but it sounds like what someone who doesn't know would say.

And the industry did not laugh at his "attempt", certain critiques did.

It's based on knowing people in the fashion industry. So you went and just hit someone up saying 'Hay is the fashion industry racist?!' because if you don't want to believe me, you can easily find story after story of racism in the industry. I mean this one was just from like 3 weeks ago....

Jourdan Dunn Reveals Racist Encounter With Makeup Artist, Wouldn't Touch Her Black Skin

The industry did laugh at his clothing line. That's why you don't hear about it and no one is rocking DW.

 

[Harry B]

It's based on knowing people in the fashion industry. So you went and just hit someone up saying 'Hay is the fashion industry racist?!' because if you don't want to believe me, you can easily find story after story of racism in the industry. I mean this one was just from like 3 weeks ago....

Jourdan Dunn Reveals Racist Encounter With Makeup Artist, Wouldn't Touch Her Black Skin

The industry did laugh at his clothing line. It was laughed at across the board. That's why you don't hear about it and no one is rocking DW.

lol one racist encounter with a makeup artist makes it racist?

I met a racist person working at McDonalds is the fast food industry racist?

Most black people have noted racism everywhere, racist exists everywhere. But when you say that something is racist, then there should be excessive racism. Black people are underrepresented in fashion, finance, law, medicine, technology and more this doesn't mean that they're all racist.

And I was talking about the fashion industry, working in fashion, not being a model. Like I said, black girls will be underrepresented cause black female consumers of higher fashion are underrepresented as well. That's just mathematics.


And the reason no one is rocking DW besides it not being mostly concept clothes, not very good, wrong season is that a pair of shoes costs around 6k.
What he gathered was experience and interest, his show had higher anticipation than some brands billion dollar brands.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

lol one racist encounter with a makeup artist makes it racist?

I met a racist person working at McDonalds is the fast food industry racist?

Most black people have noted racism everywhere, racist exists everywhere. But when you say that something is racist, then there should be excessive racism. Black people are underrepresented in fashion, finance, law, medicine, technology and more this doesn't mean that they're all racist.

And I was talking about the fashion industry, working in fashion, not being a model. Like I said, black girls will be underrepresented cause black female consumers of higher fashion are underrepresented as well.

Don't be dumb breh. It was a recent example since you want to live in this fantasy world where you want to believe there is not racism in this industry. An industry dominated by rich white people for decades and decades.

You talking about racism being every where is just you talking. We are talking about an industry that is so far removed from any 'pro-black' stance it's ironic that Kanye West, being this pro-black fukk consumerism rapper he is, is trying so hard to be apart of it.

I bet you believe Affirmative Action is bullshyt and the best person always gets hired huh?

 

[Harry B]

Don't be dumb breh. It was a recent example since you want to live in this fantasy world where you want to believe there is not racism in this industry. An industry dominated by rich white people for decades and decades.

You talking about racism being every where is just you talking. We are talking about an industry that is so far removed from any 'pro-black' stance it's ironic that Kanye West, being this pro-black fukk consumerism rapper he is, is trying so hard to be apart of it.

I bet you believe Affirmative Action is bullshyt and the best person always gets hired huh?

Is McDonalds racist? Cause I met a racist working at McDonalds.
Is the technology industry racist? Cause black people are underrepresented.

7% of models are black, less than 7% of Europe is black, so technically black models are overrepresented restricting fashion to Europe. Does not seem like a racist business. Even if I was talking about the industry and not models. Economically, you've seen a growth in Asian models according to the rise in Asian consumers of highend fashion, it's kind of simple mathematics.

But are motherfukkers supposed to NOT engage in what they enjoy cause there are a few racists? Tell that to Jackie Robinson, tell that to Chuck Cooper and all those dudes. Tell that to Thurgood Marshall, tell that to Obama. Dude wants to make clothes, is he supposed to be a c00n an say "no no no, white people tell me I can't do this". I'm done, I respect that you have your opinion.

I can't confirm anything you've said through my interest, friends or loose research but whatever.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Fashion industry is OLD money. High-culture and very detached from day-to-day current affairs. Its basically dictated by disgustingly rich and vain people who live in a bubble and distort their minds into thinking what they do is of any importance to society-at-large. Every "event" is completely transient and instantly dated. Its the most prejudiced community aside from a radical political party that I can think of. If racism is basically bred from ignorance, then this is possibly THE most ignorant and detached community imaginable. The definition of an elitist "me too, please, me too!" community

If anything I give Kanye credit for being able to make a name for himself in that world, but him being a major star gave him the leverage in that community, Pharrell too. Remember these are the brands that have publicly denounced rappers and urban (basically a coded word for "black people") folk wearing their shyt. They fukk with Kanye and Pharrell and Lady Gaga and them because they are $$$ and nothing more. Free promo = more non-rich idiots willing to drop hundreds of dollars on disposable junk and reinforce their "elite" status

I'm not hating on fashion, in the sense of trying to look fresh and stay current with trends and new styles, but the mindset that orients every aspect of your life around the materials you put on your body. Basically fetishizing fabrics and ridiculous "statements" and pieces like it has ANY importance or relevance on anything. Basically, fukk "high Fashion" and anyone that gives it any power

 

[jilla82]

Don't be dumb breh. It was a recent example since you want to live in this fantasy world where you want to believe there is not racism in this industry. An industry dominated by rich white people for decades and decades.

You talking about racism being every where is just you talking. We are talking about an industry that is so far removed from any 'pro-black' stance it's ironic that Kanye West, being this pro-black fukk consumerism rapper he is, is trying so hard to be apart of it.

I bet you believe Affirmative Action is bullshyt and the best person always gets hired huh?

I swear people like you dont want black folks to do shyt that we already arent doing.
Thats the problem now...if one of us steps out the box cats say they are kissing ass.

You posted a lame ass link where a makeup artist didnt want to work on ol girl...and it was a bad article at that. It says "it was pure racism" but didnt back that up w/ any facts. A lot of white folks dont know how to work on black skin...thats not racism, just lack of skill.

Nobody has said why they think Kanye is on some different pro black, anti corporate steeze either. Dude said he is not a corporate slave...how is that not hard to understand!!? he's just saying he wants to do him, and not what they tell him to do.
It doesnt mean he's anti corporations.

Why are yall not going hard on Obama like this? of all people, Kanye West??!!

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Fashion industry is OLD money. High-culture and very detached from day-to-day current affairs. Its basically disgustingly rich and vain people who live in a bubble and distort their minds into thinking what they do is of any importance to society-at-large. Every "event" is completely transient and instantly dated. Its the most prejudiced community aside from a radical political party that I can think of. If racism is basically bred from ignorance, then this is possibly THE most ignorant and detached community imaginable.

If anything I give Kanye credit for being able to make a name for himself in that world, but him being a major star gave him the leverage in that community, Pharrell too. Remember these are the brands that have publicly denounced rappers and urban (basically a coded word for "black people") folk wearing their shyt. They fukk with Kanye and Pharrell and Lady Gaga and them because they are $$$ and nothing more.

I'm not hating on fashion, in the sense of trying to look fresh and stay current with trends and new styles, but the mindset that orients every aspect of your life around the materials you put on your body. Basically fetishizing fabrics and ridiculous "statements" and pieces like it has ANY importance or relevance on anything. Basically, fukk "high Fashion" and anyone that gives it any power

Thank you.

I am not saying he shouldn't be in the industry or into fashion. I just think its conflicting with this "edgy" "anti-consumerism" Kanye. We are talking about an industry that has led to people thinking slim light skinned white woman are what is truly beautiful and for those who are not the only way to be 'beautiful' is to pay for over priced clothing.

 

[Harry B]

Fashion industry is OLD money. High-culture and very detached from day-to-day current affairs. Its basically disgustingly rich and vain people who live in a bubble and distort their minds into thinking what they do is of any importance to society-at-large. Everything "event" is completely transient and instantly dated. Its the most prejudiced community aside from a radical political party that I can think of. If racism is basically bred from ignorance, then this is possibly THE most ignorant and detached community imaginable.

If anything I give Kanye credit for being able to make a name for himself in that world, but him being a major star gave him the leverage in that community, Pharrell too. Remember these are the brands that have publicly denounced rappers and urban (basically a coded word for "black people") folk wearing their shyt. They fukk with Kanye and Pharrell and Lady Gaga and them because they are $$$ and nothing more.

I'm not hating on fashion, in the sense of trying to look fresh and stay current with trends and new styles, but the mindset that orients every aspect of your life around the materials you put on your body. Basically fetishizing fabrics and ridiculous "statements" and pieces like it has ANY importance or relevance on anything. Basically, fukk "high Fashion" tho

Most of the big companies are owned by major conglomerates that anyone can invest in. Most of the companies are also started by shoemakers, fashion freaks, craftsmen and shyt like that, not royalties or old money or whatever you are talking about. Royalties and "old money people" were however clients. The most influential like Coco Chanel grew up to an average laundry woman in poor Paris.
Only a few brands are "old money" like Givenchy, which is now owned by LVHM and their creative director designs hiphop covers for Kanye and Jiggaman on the side.

Fashion has always been about the most creative/fashionable. Models have a harder time, cause that's more marketing to increase profits than "the fashion industry". China for example are now nearly 20% of importers of LV, Africa probably 0.001%, but there is about as many dark skinned models as yellow skinned. Are they racists towards white and not towards black? Or is it just that not enough models from China look good enough? Are tall enough..? Some sensitive people may see it as racism, I see it as common sense

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Thank you.

I am not saying he shouldn't be in the industry or into fashion. I just think its conflicting with this "edgy" "anti-consumerism" Kanye. We are talking about an industry that has led to people thinking slim light skinned white woman are what is truly beautiful and for those who are not the only way to be 'beautiful' is to pay for over priced clothing.

To me, if Kanye truly cared, he'd stop and say "Honestly, why the fukk do I care what Vera Wang thinks? Why is this something to strive for??" But he doesnt. He adores that shyt. Good for him, cause at the end of the day, if he makes good music I'm cool with it.

But to give the illusion that youre encouraging people to think-outside-the-box, when your perception of style and beauty and perceived-success is confined to a cell, and basically dictated by people that would have you giving them a backrub and pedicure if they were still allowed to, is retarded.