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How many all stars does Tim Duncan need to carry him to a title?? :jbhmm:'



And with all these all stars and a coach as great as Pop, how can you not win back 2 back? :jbhmm:
Kobe fans are so insecure about Duncan. :jawalrus: The nikka Timmy has him beat in every category. More rings, more rings as the man, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, significantly more team success total, more longevity, true leader, teammates love him, etc (I could go on longer but Imma let Kobe live, the nikka has had a rough year).

No way under any criteria does Kobe rank ahead of Duncan. And this eats away at Kobe fans souls.
 

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And this is why you're the embodiment of :trash:



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Kawhi is light years ahead of PG defensively. Don't you even dare insist they are comparable.
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You the homie but this is FACTUALLY wrong. It seems like you don't watch many Pacers games. They're very much comparable defensively. Both stronger at different things on that side of the ball. It's extremely close between the two - which just goes to show how great PG is when he has a far heavier offensive workload.

PG is 8th in the league in isolation field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 26.5% shooting.
Kawhi is 94th in the league in isolation field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 33% shooting.

PG is 46th in the league in ball handler field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 33% shooting.
Kawhi is 39th in the league in ball handler field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 36% shooting.

PG is 5th in the league in off screen field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 37% shooting.
Kawhi is 2nd in the league in off screen field goal attempts - holding players to 47% shooting

Now take these numbers with a grain of salt, as you should with every single defensive stat - as context of help defense, defensive scheme, defensive personnel and game situation needs to be applied - but it gives you a general look at their defensive output.
Only thing offensively PG does is handle the ball more than Kawhi. There's nothing he does that Kawhi couldn't do. NOTHING
Nah you've got this wrong too. PG is capable of doing A LOT more offensively - it's not particularly close. Only 44% of PG's 26 ppg are assisted and 63% of Kawhi's 21 ppg are assisted, which again is partly down to the Spurs motion offense and all the ball movement that's going on. So while it's probably not a exact reflection of Kawhi's ability to create points for himself - he still isn't asked to create for himself as often as well as dealing with all the defensive attention that PG gets. It's wrong for you to suggest that he can when i) he hasn't proven it yet ii) he doesn't have the ball-handling/driving ability of PG.

Let's not forget to that this is Kawhi's first season as a #1 option - you can't say shyt like there's nothing PG can do that he can't do. His season career-high prior to this season was only 16 ppg, and his career-high in points is 32 - PG has already had half a dozen games THIS season scoring more than that.




Kawhi's most certainly not capable of putting up performances like the above right now. I mean I've seen a lot of defenders this season still give Kawhi a shooting cushion - the same can't be said for PG - not to the same extent anyway. He can create points for himself and for his teammates in ANY situation. Kawhi isn't on that level just yet. Maybe in time when Pop gives him more offensive freedom, but not right now. His ball-handling will need to improve for that to work also.

@AlbertPullhoez @Da King @DonkeyPuncher718 @DrexlersCut @Mephistopheles might want to read this too :mjpls:
 
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Yet PG has been in Vogel's system his whole career himself, no???

Stats? Your mean the stats that show Kawhi has the higher PER, Offensive and defensive rating, offensive and defensive win share, overall win share, and higher +/- overall and higher +/- rating on offense and defense? Again, the ONLY thing he's doing is shooting the ball more than Kawhi.
My mans you can't use these things to gauge a player's offensive and defensive worth. All these are TEAM based stats.
 

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PG - 1st team NBA All-defensive team in 2014, 2nd team NBA All-defensive team in 2013
Kawhi - 1st team NBA All-defensive team in 2015, 2nd team NBA All-defensive team in 2014

It's like some folk are forgetting that PG was named on a 1st team All-defensive team before he broke his leg. Dude was looked at as arguably the best wing defender in the league in 2014. Now he suddenly shouldn't be compared to Kawhi...

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These fakkit kobe stans got nothing left. Last year living in the past. This year it's Timmy played with all stars? Lol. Who? A last prime d Rob in 03? Or manu and Parker which are only all stars cause Duncan. Think they'd be where they are today without Timmy? Doubt it. Come to think if it, that's the only reason Kobe is who he is today. Cause he played for LA. He knew he wasn't shyt. That's why he asked to play for LA. Of he stayed in Charlotte, he would be vince Carter status.
 

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Kobe fans are so insecure about Duncan. :jawalrus: The nikka Timmy has him beat in every category. More rings, more rings as the man, more MVPs, more Finals MVPs, significantly more team success total, more longevity, true leader, teammates love him, etc (I could go on longer but Imma let Kobe live, the nikka has had a rough year).

No way under any criteria does Kobe rank ahead of Duncan. And this eats away at Kobe fans souls.

act like tim himself wouldnt tell u that kobe is better
 

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Paul George is a scoring point forward. He can handle, pass, and create shots for himself and others. He's like Pippen, Lebron and Grant Hill.

Kwahi on the other hand is a great two player. He can score and play lockdown D. He's not Paul George.
 

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You the homie but this is FACTUALLY wrong. It seems like you don't watch many Pacers games. They're very much comparable defensively. Both stronger at different things on that side of the ball. It's extremely close between the two - which just goes to show how great PG is when he has a far heavier offensive workload.

PG is 8th in the league in isolation field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 26.5% shooting.
Kawhi is 94th in the league in isolation field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 33% shooting.

PG is 46th in the league in ball handler field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 33% shooting.
Kawhi is 39th in the league in ball handler field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 36% shooting.

PG is 5th in the league in off screen field goal attempts (defense) - holding players to 37% shooting.
Kawhi is 2nd in the league in off screen field goal attempts - holding players to 47% shooting

Now take these numbers with a grain of salt, as you should with every single defensive stat - as context of help defense, defensive scheme, defensive personnel and game situation needs to be applied - but it gives you a general look at their defensive output.

Nah you've got this wrong too. PG is capable of doing A LOT more offensively - it's not particularly close. Only 44% of PG's 26 ppg are assisted and 63% of Kawhi's 21 ppg are assisted, which again is partly down to the Spurs motion offense and all the ball movement that's going on. So while it's probably not a exact reflection of Kawhi's ability to create points for himself - he still isn't asked to create for himself as often as well as dealing with all the defensive attention that PG gets. It's wrong for you to suggest that he can when i) he hasn't proven it yet ii) he doesn't have the ball-handling/driving ability of PG.

Let's not forget to that this is Kawhi's first season as a #1 option - you can't say shyt like there's nothing PG can do that he can't do. His season career-high prior to this season was only 16 ppg, and his career-high in points is 32 - PG has already had half a dozen games THIS season scoring more than that.




Kawhi's most certainly not capable of putting up performances like the above right now. I mean I've seen a lot of defenders this season still give Kawhi a shooting cushion - the same can't be said for PG - not to the same extent anyway. He can create points for himself and for his teammates in ANY situation. Kawhi isn't on that level just yet. Maybe in time when Pop gives him more offensive freedom, but not right now. His ball-handling will need to improve for that to work also.

@AlbertPullhoez @Da King @DonkeyPuncher718 @DrexlersCut @Mephistopheles might want to read this too :mjpls:


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