KD: "Iverson Is The Pound For Pound Best"

[Draje]

Usain Bolt is the fastest man ever and he's 6'5". accoring to your logic, lighter smaller dudes should be more explosive. some dudes just have more god given athletic ability than others REGARDLESS of size. AI was one of those dudes. If he grew to 6'6", its likely he woulda kept his speed and explosiveness. the extra height and reach woulda just made him 10x more dangerous. he prolly woulda averaged 40ppg.

This is a stupid statement though and could be made with 99% of the players out there.

Larry Bird + Lebron's BODY = GOAT

Shaq + Kobe work ethic = GOAT

Javale McGee + Hakeem's footwork = GOAT

Magic + No AIDs = POSSIBLE GOAT

Pound for pound, Nate Robinson and Isaih Thomas are probably the two biggest talents in the league but p4p in basketball is stupid.

We have no idea how players will react and adjust to extra weight and size.

Hell, Kobe disliked how he moved when he was at his most swoll because it felt off to him so he slimmed down.

 

[FTBS]

He changed the way everyone plays ball by showing them inefficient shooting wouldn't get the job done

That's the funniest thing to me. KD and Bron wax poet about dude but they completely reject his style of play.

 

[FTBS]

AI still getting that respect...it's gotta make the advanced stats crowd mad.

Why would they be mad when the players giving him that respect are completely rejecting his style of play and putting up numbers that would delight them?

 

[Lakers Offseason]

This is a stupid statement though and could be made with 99% of the players out there.

Larry Bird + Lebron's BODY = GOAT

Shaq + Kobe work ethic = GOAT

Javale McGee + Hakeem's footwork = GOAT

Magic + No AIDs = POSSIBLE GOAT

Pound for pound, Nate Robinson and Isaih Thomas are probably the two biggest talents in the league but p4p in basketball is stupid.

We have no idea how players will react and adjust to extra weight and size.

Hell, Kobe disliked how he moved when he was at his most swoll because it felt off to him so he slimmed down.

Let's take this logic further.

Yao Ming + Iverson's athleticism =

 

[Broad Street Bully]

The LeBron era made everybody fall in love with PER's and all them other totally unnecessary ass advanced stats. Nobody was worried about "efficiency" then as they are now. Its wack so now we gotta discredit a nikka like AI because his FG pct and his "efficiency" was lacking. Thats corny as shyt.

 

[The Don]

Did Isiah Thomas' career get wiped from the record books?

Isaiah was the original little big man but AI took it to another level plus AI didn't just impact the game on the court....off the court he had a big impact too...the dress code, tatts, headbands, sleeves....AI started all that

 

[Draje]

The LeBron era made everybody fall in love with PER's and all them other totally unnecessary ass advanced stats. Nobody was worried about "efficiency" then as they are now. Its wack so now we gotta discredit a nikka like AI because his FG pct and his "efficiency" was lacking. Thats corny as shyt.

Except advance stats have done nothing but helped how we see the game and stop people from talking out of their ass. AI is extremely inefficient compared to a vast majority of the other legends he's typically grouped with.

Great player in the company of T-Mac, Healthy Grant hill, etc. but let's not act like he's even in the league of Dirk, KG, Wade, and those guys...much less with guys like Kobe, Jordan, LeBron, magic, etc

It also shows overall efficiency in a better than basic stats. A dude scoring 25 PPG on 37% isn't a more effective player than someone scoring 19 on 50%.

Advanced stats simply give a more in-depth view of the game. All the truly great players are typically amazing in advanced stats and it also helps show some of the impact of players who might be on bad teams and give new insight on the effect players can have on teams that people might not even see notice.

People still spout that LeBron has no post game but he's been the most efficient and one of the most effective post scorers in the league but people let their eyes trick them into thinking he's bad because he isn't graceful.

People say Kobe is inefficient but he's really above average for his volume. People say he's not a good passer but he's actually a very talented passer but the ball hog label stuck and people see what they want.

Long story short, nothing wrong with advanced stats. They are just another tool to help us better understand basketball and give clarity to things you might miss when you watch a game.

 

[Truth200]

Usain Bolt is the fastest man ever and he's 6'5". accoring to your logic, lighter smaller dudes should be more explosive. some dudes just have more god given athletic ability than others REGARDLESS of size. AI was one of those dudes. If he grew to 6'6", its likely he woulda kept his speed and explosiveness. the extra height and reach woulda just made him 10x more dangerous. he prolly woulda averaged 40ppg.

You're making wild assumptions.

 

[MJ Freedom]

People say that the SG position is weaker but it's mostly because the guards now are kinda interchangeable.

Dudes like Rose, Westbrook, Curry, and the like could play SG easily back in the day.

Hell, you could probably easily construct a team with Kobe as your PG and make it pretty damn dangerous.

Hell T-Mac, Carter, and Kobe could play SF. It's less a matter of the SG being weaker and more than perimeter positions are becoming more blurred.

That's no different than the early 2000s though. Guys like Baron Davis, Steve Francis, a young Jason Terry (ATL JT was a lil' different than the current version), Stephon Marbury could switch to the off guard spot as well.

This current class of shooting guards IS weak, it is what it is.

 

[Jplaya2023]

You're making wild assumptions.

welcome to the coli

 

[FTBS]

The LeBron era made everybody fall in love with PER's and all them other totally unnecessary ass advanced stats. Nobody was worried about "efficiency" then as they are now. Its wack so now we gotta discredit a nikka like AI because his FG pct and his "efficiency" was lacking. Thats corny as shyt.

Ask Team Kobe about it. The same ones pining for the days when people weren't obsessed with the FG% are the same ones that were going on and on about AI's FG% back then. Let me get this straight...discrediting a player because of how he actually played is corny but riding for a nikka and completely ignoring, glossing over, or spinning his faults 10 years later because you thought he was cool and/or you wanna shyt on current players is perfectly fine? I was a big AI fan back in then too and I still have respect for a guy his size doing what he did. However I have matured since then and so did my understanding of the game. Having a 5'11 nikka chuck 30 shots a night is not a recipe for success. *looks forward to bu..bu...but he carried them to the Finals* Weak conference and it was a one time only deal...never sniffed another Finals. The fact that dudes who grew up idolizing him like KD and Bron completely reject his style of play says a lot.

 

[Digga38]

Harden, Beal, Klay, Lance, Waiters, Derozan

its not as bad as ya'll make it out to seem, I listed some good young talent at the 2

Nikka kill ya self

 

[The War Report]

The LeBron era made everybody fall in love with PER's and all them other totally unnecessary ass advanced stats. Nobody was worried about "efficiency" then as they are now. Its wack so now we gotta discredit a nikka like AI because his FG pct and his "efficiency" was lacking. Thats corny as shyt.

Bullshyt. George Gervin was worried about efficiency back in the day. A lot of players back in the day were taking high percentage shots.

 

[FiveShoTz]

Ai might be the most influential player evet bout it

Hes not even a top 15 player

We alk kobe shyts all on him

 

[DoubleClutch]

You make no sense.

I don't expect you to understand