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Keefe D confesses to role in the murder of Tupac after revealing he’s now dying of cancer
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1. Actually we have discussed this before. Just because I decided not to engage in it with you for a 68th time doesn't mean the 67 other times didn't happen (an exaggeration obviously, but my point still stands).
2. That's the problem trying to have a discussion with you about this. You take liberties with words like "facts", "knowing", "unequivocal", etc and act like people are crazy when they call you out on it. YOU DON'T KNOW PUFFY WAS NOT INDIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE MURDER OF TUPAC. You weren't privy to the conversations or the alleged conspiracy to commit murder that Puffy has been accused of engaging in. And yes, for that matter neither was I. But for some reason you seem to be the only one in these threads who claims to have 100% certainty of Puffy's innocence. And if that isn't strange enough, you constantly go out of your way to attack the character of anyone critical of Bad Boy. Stannery is all well and good if kept strictly about the music (well, maybe not in Puffy's case, but I digress...), but acting as if a music mogul of all people is above reproach morally is just flat out bizarre.
All we can do as part of the jury of public opinion is look at the evidence, evaluate it's merit, and come to a rational conclusion one way or the other. I honestly don't give a shyt if you think Puffy had nothing to do with Pac getting killed. And unlike your view of the oppossing belief, I don't think Puffy being innocent of having a bounty out for Suge and Pac is all that outlandish to believe. I don't agree with that belief, but it's not crazy to think that maybe Puffy never put a hit on Pac's life.
You however are the one who always comes in these threads acting as if people who think Puffy was involved in Pac's death are part of a tinfoil hat brigade.
isn’t it a contradiction on your part for saying i use the words or terms like “facts” “knowing” “unequivocally” etc. etc. to defend puff while 90% of posters on the other side use those same exact terms
your own words
All we can do as part of the jury of public opinion is look at the evidence, evaluate it's merit, and come to a rational conclusion one way or the other.
So what’s your evidence on puff having a hit on pac life ??? especially when keffe said he lied in his confession
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Also lets not forget how deep Keefe D was in on this investigation. He flew out to New York and wore a wire to try and get Zip to flip and chances are it would've worked if the feds didnt pull the plug on the investigation. If they got Zip then puffy was the next to go down.
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The really really do lol.
In their feeble minds, if Pac said Puffy was the enemy, then he's the enemy. Forever. Pac and Big are linked in their imagination and in their hearts for the rest of eternity. They hate Biggie & Puff so much on behalf of Pac that they'll believe any conspiracy that will allow them to think Puff had something to do with it.
Doesn’t even seem weird to me, seems like a trophy type of thing.We already knew this. We also know that Orlando Anderson was the shooter.
In fact, he was bumping Tupac's music through the hood until he got killed at the car wash in south Compton years later.
Not only that but he was telling the whole hood. Only denied it when the TV cameras came.
How does one kill another man and then bump his music. That'd be creepy as fukk to me.
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isn’t it a contradiction on your part for saying i use the words or terms like “facts” “knowing” “unequivocally” etc. etc. to defend puff while 90% of posters on the other side use those same exact terms
your own words
All we can do as part of the jury of public opinion is look at the evidence, evaluate it's merit, and come to a rational conclusion one way or the other.
So what’s your evidence on puff having a hit on pac life ??? especially when keffe said he lied in his confession
1. Show me one poster on this entire website who acts as the inverse to your
for Puffy and his merry band of shiny suiters. And I'm not talking about just stanning. Pac stans are gonna Pac stan, but I've never seen one person as convinced that they have all the answers figured out as you do, armed with a barrage of gifs and insults aimed at anyone who doesn't find it unbelievable that maybe Puffy has done some dirt in his life.2. You love to bring up that Keefe said he lied about his confession, yet have no problem quoting the man when his words can be used to support your viewpoint. You're perfectly cool with bringing up Keefe saying that Orlando didn't do anything to Pac, because it bolsters a narrative that the shooting was an isolated incident that happened in a vacuum of retaliation. You're cool with bringing up Keefe throwing shade on Greg Kading, because it fits your narrative that he's a dirty cop and therefore can't be trusted. You're pretty much cool with anything that comes out of his mouth EXCEPT when it portrays Puffy in a bad light. Then suddenly it's
Obviously, the testimony and words of a career criminal and gangbanger have to be evaluated under the circumstances at hand. Yet you don't see the blatant obvious flaw in your train of thought ---- That if he was willing to lie about Puffy as you so staunchly believe, why couldn't he also be lying when he said he gave a false confession?
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I can't speak for anybody else in this thread, but I'm far from a Pac stan or nuthugger. I think he was a dope MC who made some good music, but Pac wouldn't even crack my top 20. I do, however, find his life and death to be very interesting and intriguing, but I don't get wrapped up in Pac vs Big cuz I don't have a dog in the fight. I wasn't much of a fan of either one of them dudes' music when they were alive, although I grew to appreciate more of Pac's catalogue over the years.
sporticus
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Pac is a legend, but I see dude for what he was. An irrational dude who flew off the handle and needed to paint himself as a martyr. Puff and Big didn't create this man's problems and I very much doubt they had anything to do with his death.
1. Show me one poster on this entire website who acts as the inverse to your
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damn near 2000 post & i’ll say 80 to 90% said puff put out the hit (maybe i shouldn’t use percentages BUT it was an overwhelming majority)
so are you gonna tell me In all honesty when the confession became available you didn’t think it was the nail in the coffin for puff ! and for the record if you look into the Murder Rap Doc thread, I was the first one to say that it was bullshyt based off it being the same exact story that was put out by Chuck Phillips in the LA Times where it was biggie putting up the million dollars and BIG meeting with the SSC & wanting the shooting done with his gun
At the end of the day I don’t understand why would you continuously bring this up when Keefe himself admitted he lied because he was facing 25 years in federal prison
You're perfectly cool with bringing up Keefe saying that Orlando didn't do anything to Pac, because it bolsters a narrative that the shooting was an isolated incident that happened in a vacuum of retaliation. You're cool with bringing up Keefe throwing shade on Greg Kading, because it fits your narrative that he's a dirty cop and therefore can't be trusted. You're pretty much cool with anything that comes out of his mouth EXCEPT when it portrays Puffy in a bad light. Then suddenly it's
Kading was a dirty cop or at least a NOT trustworthy one
and it doesn’t bolster my narrative of the shooting incident and the reason is simple
puff supposedly putting up this million dollar hit on suge and pac for the SSC to do and you have four members in the car that all are about that gang banging life where they approach the black BMW and the driver Cory and Dre directly behind him the 2 best position shooters to blast the BMW which would’ve made them collect this so called one million dollars BUT BOTH DEM nikkaZ REFUSED more than proves it NEVER was a million dollar hit on suge & pac
and i don’t expect you know nor anybody who co signs with you ... to even address this critical factor
OK .... OK ....i’ll play your game.... let’s completely eliminate Keefe from this entire shyt because of his lack of credibility
so, once again i’ll ask you - where is your proof to believing puff put out a hit on pac ???
I’ll wait
This nikka puff is on a mixtape pretty much saying they are coming to kill them and someone ends up dead at the hands of someone closey tied into puffys camp..its somehow out the realm of possibility he just might be involved? Why would keefe D need to bring up Puffy of all people? Why not just say his nephew did it and leave it at that? You dudes are just some weirdo biggie dikk riders thats still stuck in this narrative this was all a figment of tupacs mind and jealousy. This was real street shyt.
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I almost had a heart attack I thought the title said "Kool G confesses to a murder"