Keep it a buck: Prime LeBron is prolly the most box office player in NBA history on the road

[Dwight Howard]

Ya'all won't be able to deal with reality. Kobe managed to sell out his farewell tour. Lebron sells out damn near every game EVERY season.


"Interestingly, James sells out even more so on the road, perhaps because he’s more of a novelty when traveling. Over the past six seasons — his last two with the Cavs and all four with the Heat — James’s teams away capacity has averaged 99.5 percent."

Trying to Measure the ‘LeBron Effect’ on Game Attendance



Lebron's teams have led the league in road attendance 6 of the last 7 years....EVERY year except Kobe's farewell tour, even with the super-Warriors.


And then there's TV. Where the hell the Kobe games on this list? I thought that the WCF was the "real Finals", right? Most-watched playoff games are ALWAYS Lebron games, and that's even though ya'all claiming he has a cakewalk.








And he sells out anyway, even over the Warriors so what does that say?







It's mind-blowing. They keep denying actual facts like these, then think anyone will take them seriously when it comes to matters of opinion.

Bron plays on super teams...Kobe sells out on garbage teams. Not comparable

 

[Dwight Howard]

p.s. - Jordan is huge but it ain't really comparable. In Jordan's time you didn't have 55-inch flat-screen TVs and game packages allowing you to watch every single game at home. You didn't have the internet and the ability to stream damn near anything. You didn't have people who legit said they preferred watching games at home to going to the arena.

In Jordan's time, you have TV blackouts which kept you from watching home games unless they sold out and an NBA/Nike machine that was relentlessly promoting Jordan all the way. There was no way for him not to dominate the draw.

Bron stans

 

[Ben.]

Ya'all won't be able to deal with reality. Kobe managed to sell out his farewell tour. Lebron sells out damn near every game EVERY season.


"Interestingly, James sells out even more so on the road, perhaps because he’s more of a novelty when traveling. Over the past six seasons — his last two with the Cavs and all four with the Heat — James’s teams away capacity has averaged 99.5 percent."

Trying to Measure the ‘LeBron Effect’ on Game Attendance



Lebron's teams have led the league in road attendance 6 of the last 7 years....EVERY year except Kobe's farewell tour, even with the super-Warriors.


And then there's TV. Where the hell the Kobe games on this list? I thought that the WCF was the "real Finals", right? Most-watched playoff games are ALWAYS Lebron games, and that's even though ya'all claiming he has a cakewalk.








And he sells out anyway, even over the Warriors so what does that say?







It's mind-blowing. They keep denying actual facts like these, then think anyone will take them seriously when it comes to matters of opinion.

That tweet is a wrap. I ain't even know that. RIP Kobe stans

 

[Controversy]

No flair



Only on the Coli is seeing ungodly athletic phenom fly down the court at super speeds and dunk on people with reckless abandon while also being a willing playmaker with court vision reminiscent of Magic.

Not only that, he's a streaky shooter that can turn hot in an instant and took ignorant shots all the damn time before Spo beat it out of him to make him a more efficient player.

Athleticism and flair are independent

Bron has a mechanical handle & shirty footwork...his shot isn't even nice to look at

You are blinded by north south speed & jumping high

I'm impressed by actual skill

Curry has flair, Kobe had flair...Bron doesn't

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Bron plays on super teams...Kobe sells out on garbage teams. Not comparable

This!!

 

[Controversy]

Do your dumbass self a favor and read the evidence provided in the thread instead of just using your shyt opinion. LeBron IS the NBA, TV ratings basically tank when he's not in the picture. During Kobes prime the NBA was bordering on ratings irrelevance. LeBron is the one who reignited league interest.

Man plz

Bron losing is what ignited interest

As many ppl that love lebron, there are just as many that love to see him lose

I will be happy when his game falls off a cliff bc he won't be missed

 

[Archangel]

Still one of the greatest games I've ever saw. Bron was unbelievable that night.

 

[ISO]

Bron plays on super teams...Kobe sells out on garbage teams. Not comparable

Yeah, his first stint in Cleveland was a "super team"

Yeah, LeBron ain't the main draw nikkas wanna see the team

Go against facts, brehs

 

[intra vires]

Lol bron wasn't the box office hit it was the heatles were cuz first time 3 top 5-10 players in their prime playing together. Bron as a stand alone player isn't must see

Gotta disagree.
As a Pistons fan Game 5 of the 2007 ECF was one of the most performances in recent memory. Dude literally willed his team to victory in a decisive game. That's probably when I stopped being a LeBron hater (obligation as a Pistons fan) and learned to just appreciate him as a player.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Bron plays on super teams...Kobe sells out on garbage teams. Not comparable

stay


lebron basically single handily took the league to new heights, not seen since Jordan


NBA Announces 9-Year Extension With ESPN, Turner, Through 2025

The massive increase in TV money is a direct result of the NBA’s recent resurgence. The current contract was signed in 2007, with the league coming off the lowest rated NBA Finals ever. The $930 million annual rights fee marked ‘only’ a 22% increase over the previous deal ($765M).

In the seven years since that contract was signed, regular season and playoff ratings improved dramatically. The NBA Finals averaged a double-digit rating each year from 2010 to 2013, topping the World Series in five of the last six years. The conference finals set records in 2011 (on TNT) and 2012 (on ESPN). ABC’s coverage of the shortened 2012 regular season was the most-watched on any network since the shortened 1999 regular season.



The players were principally responsible for that seven-year resurgence. Kevin Garnett‘s 2007 arrival in Boston rekindled the Celtics/Lakers rivalry, which started the league on its path back to relevance. Then, LeBron James‘ 2010 decision to sign with the Miami Heat kicked off four years of an unhinged media and fan backlash that sent ratings soaring.

The new TV deal comes nearly three years after NBA owners successfully engineered a massive redistribution of wealth that reduced the players’ share of basketball-related income to 50 percent. That was predicated on claims that the league was in dire financial health with most of the teams losing money. The players or owners can opt out of the current collective bargaining agreement in 2017, and another lockout is widely expected.

NBA Announces 9-Year Extension With ESPN, Turner, Through 2025 — Sports Media Watch

Guess what player was featured in 2011 and 2012 conf finals that broke TV records?




I don't see much Kobe on there

also

The legacy of LeBron's 'Decision' one year later

Record-Setting NBA Ratings

The NBA was must-see TV during the 2010-11 regular season. Ratings were up across the board as basketball fans were glued to their television to see how Miami’s Big Three would impact the rest of the league. The NBA on TNT averaged 2.45 million total viewers during the regular season, up 42 percent from 2009-10 and the largest regular season audience in network history. It remains to be seen if the NBA can keep up the strong ratings following the current lockout.

The legacy of LeBron's 'Decision' one year later

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Do your dumbass self a favor and read the evidence provided in the thread instead of just using your shyt opinion. LeBron IS the NBA, TV ratings basically tank when he's not in the picture. During Kobes prime the NBA was bordering on ratings irrelevance. LeBron is the one who reignited league interest.

all facts

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Bron plays on super teams...Kobe sells out on garbage teams. Not comparable

Bullshyt. Lebron was #2 in the league in road attendance in his ROOKIE season, when his team was coming off a 17-65 year and everyone knew they weren't shyt. The only team in the entire league that beat him was the Lakers with Shaq/Kobe teamed together.

Cavs were DEAD LAST in the NBA in road attendance just a year before Lebron got there. They had NO national pull at all. Even in 2013 with Kyrie there they were fukking 25th in the NBA in road attendance. No one gives a shyt about the Cavs if they don't have Lebron.

Now Lebron has led the league in road attendance 7 times in his career already. Even though he's played 3/4 of his career on a team with no pull.


Kobe has only led the league in road attendance 4 times in the 12 years that he's been the leader of the team. In 2008-2010 when they had Phil Jackson and a stacked front court, and in his retirement year in 2016.

And that's despite playing for the Lakers the whole time, a team that grew a MASSIVE national fanbase long before Kobe got there. Last year the Lakers were horrible, there was no Kobe, they had no star power at all, and they STILL finished top-5 in the NBA in road attendance.


Kobe doesn't sell out arenas. The Lakers sell out arenas. The only special season he had was his retirement tour - otherwise, he hasn't done shyt for sellouts that any Lakers team hadn't already been doing before him.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Wait a minute.....they just started having big stakes one off playoff games when the 55" tv and internet came along? You're talking loud but not saying nothing with all those links you posted. Like I said, it can't be both. It's sports....if it's worth it, people will watch. You keep jumping thru hoops to discredit MJ, to the point you're blaming 55" tvs, but wanna backdoor your way outta it on Bron's end with all these excuses. All those events I mentioned happened during an era you whined about. That wasn't the Packers and Dallas first game. That wasnt the first Rose Bowl played. That wasn't the first championship boxing match on PPV. The individuals in the game brought the eyeballs out. Period. Bron don't bring eyeballs to the set like MJ did. No shame in that. Oh....and in a time where tickets are the highest they've ever been, customers having access to 55" tv's and multiple games at home at their finger tips, OSU vs Michigan just set an attendance record for their regular season game. So no matter how you slice it....tv and live records are being set in this era you're railing against to prop up Bron.

Rating for big one-off games can still be good.

But day-to-day ratings are way down because there is far, far more competition in entertainment.


I posted tons of exact evidence and numbers that showed that day-to-day ratings are down for EVERYTHING. You point out that really big events can still get good ratings, and you're right....but we're not taking about really big events, we're talking about day-to-day shyt. And that's down for everyone.

How is that argument so difficult to understand?

 

[MalikX]

From Wikipedia

So basically, Jordan, the Showtime Lakers, the early 2000s Lakers and the Golden State Warriors had the NBA on lock

 

[Bigfish]

Lebron one of the greatest.