Hazel Brown
All Star
Wow, I love how you literally just dismissed everything she said and just deflected. You know she’s right, that’s why
Keep It Real: Have any of you ever practiced COLORISM?
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The Gentleman
Always a Gentleman!
Wow, I love how you literally just dismissed everything she said and just deflected. You know she’s right, that’s why
I don’t think lve dismissed what you said. I do however think you dismiss what I’ve said. If I did please say one more time for the sake of discussion. I think it needs to be put out there.
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C L O N E*0690//////
what is rare increases in value
it's why exotic features naturally draw attention
people often hate what they can't be & paradoxically admire it at the same time
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it's why exotic features naturally draw attention
people often hate what they can't be & paradoxically admire it at the same time
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The Gentleman
Always a Gentleman!
@Booksnrain
@Hazel Brown
Colorism is an extension of racism and ethnocentrism. When that dies so will colorism.
@Hazel Brown
Colorism is an extension of racism and ethnocentrism. When that dies so will colorism.
Yep.. it’s a specific type of yella bone I would never fukk with
Because they all have dark gut regions under arms mutumbo .. inner thigh manute
Tried to charge it to the game n but the p*ssy smirking at me like chappie from iron eagle wasnt what it do
Be damn if eat from the back lou gosset smirkin at a nikka
Because they all have dark gut regions under arms mutumbo .. inner thigh manute
Tried to charge it to the game n but the p*ssy smirking at me like chappie from iron eagle wasnt what it do
Be damn if eat from the back lou gosset smirkin at a nikka
The Gentleman
Always a Gentleman!
Yep. And it goes beyond some guys liking “lite-brites”. Having an aesthetic preference in your partner isn’t the issue IMO. Dehumanizing people based off skin tone that look just like you, and then having laws and practices codified into society to make these individuals’ lives harder is the problem. At the lower end of the continuum, you might get bullying. At the higher end, it’s prisoners getting worse sentences just b/c of skin tone or little kids choosing white dolls over black ones.
The psycho-social ramifications go far beyond shallow attempts at dikk/clit policing. But that’s what it gets reduced to because stupid draws views and a minority idiots who are loud and proudly wrong are who govern major forms of media we consume. People need to be aware of this stuff.
The Gentleman
Always a Gentleman!
I think it needs to be framed as that instead of a dating issue. Because that’s what you and Hazel Brown are talking about. Sexual preferences.
Whooty Chaser
#PAWGSET
Never. I fukk with all shades of pawgs from porcelain white to olive oil tan.
murksiderock
Superstar
Everything you're saying is true, but I think the divide in here is some people are interpreting your position as saying these self-hating markers apply to the majority (greater than 50%) of black men. Is that what you believe?
We all know plenty of black men (and women) have colorist views but I think fellas want clarification on if you're ascribing this to most black men than not---->and if you're saying black men have this problem more than black women.
CodeKansas
Superstar
Nope.
Crushes on a Redbone back in middle school/high school, yellow bone and dark skin joints in College.
Wife is my complexion which is a healthy brown.
That shyt don't faze me.
Crushes on a Redbone back in middle school/high school, yellow bone and dark skin joints in College.
Wife is my complexion which is a healthy brown.
That shyt don't faze me.
what I’m trying to get people to see is that all of these issues, including sexual preferences (to an extent) are interrelated. There are all these subtle and not so subtle influences that causes people to create these implicit biases against physical markers associated with blackness…even in people who have those same features themselves.
At the micro level it plays out in “preferences”. At the macrolevel it’s literally the bedrock of racial discrimination.
It’s hard to estimate b/c of the denial and deflection that happens around the issue when it pops up. But if I had to estimate I’d say all of us have been indoctrinated into colored perspectives just by virtue of being black and living in a whitewashed world. And not just due to proximity to whites but due to how we’ve systematically been brainwashed against ourselves. All of the stats about us are collected in such a way to ensure blks are located at the bottom and white is right. Majority of images depicting blks are negative, associated with poverty, degradation, violence, extreme promiscuity. Even the manosphere spaces and divestor rhetoric falls expresses these ideas along gendered lines by pushing the idea that blk men or blk women are inferior partners and thus non-blk men or women are associated with escape, salvation, ect. It’s in everything we consume. So to deny that it’s seeped into many of our relationship dynamics is disingenuous. This is shyt that is embedded in our psychological collective consciousness. If we repeated the doll experiment, I wonder where we’d be.
As for who is impacted more or most, I think black men suffer from colorism just like black women, but black women get it in different ways b/c men aren’t judged for beauty in the same way as women are. Looks carry a higher premium for women than men. Also, colors carry gender connotations where darkness is perceived as masculine which falls in with a black man’s identity. But whiteness has traditionally been identified with femininity, which is at odds with black female femininity based on their looks. A large part of men attributing masculinity to black women is tied up in how closely their physical features match whiteness. And it’s not just colorism. It’s the texture of their hair. The shape of their lips. Body shapes. Ect. And this seeps into our perceptions of these individuals to where we demonize people based on how closely they conform to or diverge from whiteness.
These core psychological needs rooted in self-hate and internalized racism need to be addressed b/c we are devaluing people that look like us…for looking like us.
And the harshness of the criticism for ANYBODY who shares experiences with it, actually echos the lack of empathy and respect we have…once again…for darker skinned people. The irony is
Yes it does happen to males. But you notice how I was able to acknowledge that without dismissing their experiences. Or getting a nasty attitude and simply saying they just ugly and making up shyt.
In our attempts to distance ourselves from embarrassing dynamics, we get angrier at victims sharing their trauma than the dumb people actually perpetuating the ignorance.And yes there are lighter skinned blks who face issues as well. But we don’t all lives matter them like we do whenever bw describe their trauma with this situation.
There’s better ways to think through this without becoming defensive.
Yeah I have—now that I think about it, my “type” has a certain look and skin complexion. and majority of the men I’ve dated meet that look and complexion.
I don’t know if it’s colorism though since technically the men are within my shade group.
I have dated a couple of Brehs that weren’t of that complexion though, and they were the ones who talked the most shyt about darker woman (and I’ve known a lot of dark skin women who only dated light skinned dudes). I don’t get how you can be darkskin yourself but practice colorism against your dark counterpart. When I hear dark men/dark women doing it on some “I don’t fukk with dark skin women/dark skin men” (because I’m going to keep it buck I’ve noticed these kinds of things being expressed by dark skinned women and men) i always give them the side eye, like your dark yourself..
i also notice my dark skin girlfriend’s talk about color the most too. Like always. And it’s something that I just realized the other day—that they bring it up a lot, the same way my grandma did (who was dark skinned too) when I was growing up.
I think it truly is the result of trauma—how they were treated, teased, etc growing up. They’ve all told me stories—it wasn’t just coming from men either, it came from the women in their family too.
I’ve said this before but there are so many adults walking around with issues from their childhood, not even aware of how much those experiences shape their thinking, and perception and how they feel scout themselves even as adults. In our community, we tend to pretend that mental illness, anxiety, depression, traumas and experiences are things we just need get over it… so they just push that shyt aside and keep on going, never really confronting and addressing that issue.
But situations keep coming up that bring it right back up/triggering it and it still effects us negatively—until we do the inner work to work that shyt out.
I don’t know if it’s colorism though since technically the men are within my shade group.
I have dated a couple of Brehs that weren’t of that complexion though, and they were the ones who talked the most shyt about darker woman (and I’ve known a lot of dark skin women who only dated light skinned dudes). I don’t get how you can be darkskin yourself but practice colorism against your dark counterpart. When I hear dark men/dark women doing it on some “I don’t fukk with dark skin women/dark skin men” (because I’m going to keep it buck I’ve noticed these kinds of things being expressed by dark skinned women and men) i always give them the side eye, like your dark yourself..
i also notice my dark skin girlfriend’s talk about color the most too. Like always. And it’s something that I just realized the other day—that they bring it up a lot, the same way my grandma did (who was dark skinned too) when I was growing up.
I think it truly is the result of trauma—how they were treated, teased, etc growing up. They’ve all told me stories—it wasn’t just coming from men either, it came from the women in their family too.
I’ve said this before but there are so many adults walking around with issues from their childhood, not even aware of how much those experiences shape their thinking, and perception and how they feel scout themselves even as adults. In our community, we tend to pretend that mental illness, anxiety, depression, traumas and experiences are things we just need get over it… so they just push that shyt aside and keep on going, never really confronting and addressing that issue.
But situations keep coming up that bring it right back up/triggering it and it still effects us negatively—until we do the inner work to work that shyt out.