Kendrick sells only 286k first week….Flop?

[Mike the Executioner]

Huge Kendrick fan.
I actually think that mf is a true genius.
But that album was junk.
I dunno wtf he was thinking.
You can't tell me anyone is really still diggin that album.
I think TPAB was his peak of his powers and he's not gonna reach that level again.
I hope he keeps trying and proves me wrong.

I'm still digging it. The hatred this album gets is overblown to me.

But you're right about TPAB. That was Kendrick at his highest level in almost all categories. If he could somehow top that, it would be amazing.

 

[mobbinfms]

That’s crazy

Yes. But per your definition, if it falls out of the top 20 in the next 6 weeks, the album didn’t have legs.

 

[Chip Skylark]

Yes. But per your definition, if it falls out of the top 20 in the next 6 weeks, the album didn’t have legs.

It’s been out for 7 or 8 months right?

 

[mobbinfms]

It’s been out for 7 or 8 months right?

No it came out two weeks before Kendrick.

 

[Chip Skylark]

No it came out two weeks before Kendrick.

Sure did

 

[mobbinfms]

Less manipulation? Majors paid for them to get spins the same way majors pay to have their artist content at the forefront. Again this is marketing 101.

Most albums were counted by the ones that were shipped not necessarily sold also while label also used to buy their artists records. Now a days the simply have them out on playlist and streaming farms. The game hasn’t changed it’s just played differently

Paying for spins is definitely a form of manipulation, but the consumer still had to go and buy the album.
With tracks from big artists being out on multiple playlists, that’s going to result in streams which means sales. The manipulation is more direct.
That being said, even with streaming, people still have to fukk with the album. The machine couldn’t keep Drakes last album afloat. The flop of the century

 

[Chip Skylark]

Paying for spins is definitely a form of manipulation, but the consumer still had to go and buy the album.
With tracks from big artists being out on multiple playlists, that’s going to result in streams which means sales. The manipulation is more direct.
That being said, even with streaming, people still have to fukk with the album. The machine couldn’t keep Drakes last album afloat. The flop of the century

1500 streams equals 1 album. That’s a lot of streams to get annd doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be listened to more and like you said even with Drake marketing and having songs put on playlists Honestly Nevermimd fell fast which proves exactly that. It’s crazy to think about it explains why he dropped the project with 21 so soon

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Haven't bothered to listen to the album.

No singles and the name threw me off...haven't been excited about this at all.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Album has legs if it stays in the top 50? This isn’t 1990. MM&BS has been barely cracking 13,000 for the past month which means the same devoted fans have been listening.

Then YOU say the legs weren’t great and disappointed?!

MM&BS went platinum which is a success! That’s not disappointing!

It doesn’t have legs because compared to other albums it dropped out the top 50! Do you not know what an album having legs mean? Future album looks to have legs MM&BS not so much

This isn’t ludicrous and if you’ve been keeping up with the times you will know.

It dropped out the top 50 what, two weeks ago?


5 months in the top 50, and much of that time was in the top 20. What are we talking about. I call it a disappointment because after 5 years I assumed he was going to come out guns blazing with a big project similar to DAMN - not sonically perhaps, since he never does the same thing twice, but moreso in terms of intention (big records, anthems, etc). Remember his projections were higher and then fell, which to me said a portion of fans listened once or twice and then moved on (or focused on the 3-4 tracks they liked). So for him to drop an album with no hits, no songs that really seemed to resonate with the public, do 295k first week, stay high on the charts for months, and then do a sold out world tour...I'd not only call that a success but say the album had legs.

Did it do what I expected? No. I've said many times I assumed it would be doing Future numbers right now, but that was based on me assuming it would be a different (and frankly, better) album. Would I call it a disappointment coming off a 5 year wait? Hell yes I would. Do I think the label views it that way, with Kenny poised to gross 80mil off a tour? Nah.

 

[mobbinfms]

This is ludicrous. An album that lasts in the top 50 as long as Mr Morale clearly had legs. I’m not going to say an album has to be one of the best selling/performing albums in recent years (CLB, DAMN, Astroworld, etc) to have good legs and if it doesn’t, it doesn’t have legs. That’s dumb.

The legs weren’t great IMO and it performed disappointingly to what I assumed it would do. I figured it would be selling like Future’s album has been. Still it had good legs and remains to sell well.

I agree. I think 3-4 months in the top 50 (assuming most of that was in the top 20) is enough to say an album has legs. Essentially, if you’re album is in the top 50 for a whole season, it had legs.

 

[Chip Skylark]

It dropped out the top 50 what, two weeks ago?


5 months in the top 50, and much of that time was in the top 20. What are we talking about. I call it a disappointment because after 5 years I assumed he was going to come out guns blazing with a big project similar to DAMN - not sonically perhaps, since he never does the same thing twice, but moreso in terms of intention (big records, anthems, etc). Remember his projections where higher and then fell, which to me said a portion of fans listened once or twice and then moved on (or focused on the 3-4 tracks they liked). So for him to drop an album with no hits, no songs that really seemed to resonate with the public, do 295k first week, stay high on the charts for months, and then do a sold out world tour...I'd not only call that a success but say the album had legs.

Did it do what I expected? No. I've said many times I assumed it would be doing Future numbers right now, but that was based on me assuming it would be a different (and frankly, better) album. Would I call it a disappointment coming off a 5 year wait? Hell yes I would. Do I think the label views it that way, with Kenny poised to gross 80mil off a tour? Nah.

Yeah what exactly are we saying? He went platinum and is killing his tour. Which is why I said earlier this whole legs thing doesn’t make sense in regards to MM&BS

 

[Chip Skylark]

I agree. I think 3-4 months in the top 50 (assuming most of that was in the top 20) is enough to say an album has legs. Essentially, if you’re album is in the top 50 for a whole season, it had legs.

Honestly Nevermind 19 weeks in the top 50. Legs?

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Less manipulation? Majors paid for them to get spins the same way majors pay to have their artist content at the forefront. Again this is marketing 101.

Most albums were counted by the ones that were shipped not necessarily sold also while label also used to buy their artists records. Now a days the simply have them out on playlist and streaming farms. The game hasn’t changed it’s just played differently

Wrong. RIAA counted shipped.. Soundscan counted total units sold. So yeah less manipulation than today. People actually went to the store and spent $16 on a CD

 

[Chip Skylark]

Wrong. RIAA counted shipped.. Soundscan counted total units sold. So yeah less manipulation than today. People actually went to the store and spent $16 on a CD

Bro I have a case full of albums I’ve purchased I’ll
Post if you want.

That’s not less manipulation. Because RIAA counted albums shipped and albums that stayed on the shelves for at least 60 days it had artists selling an extra million and going 2x platinum without them actually having to sell the album.

That sounds very similar to how people complain about how streams make people go gold and platinum doesn’t it?

Like I said the game is the same but the way it’s played is different. There’s nothing wrong with artists having their songs on playlist because it doesn’t guarantee it’ll get play but it’s marketing and the label is supposed to do it for artist exposure.

You’re not explaining how it’s been manipulated because your gripe is with labels and them promoting their artists. Which is supposed to happen. The more popular artist gets more promotion this is normal.

The only issue I have is it makes it hard to support many artists at once though it’s cheaper for the consumer.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Haven't bothered to listen to the album.

No singles and the name threw me off...haven't been excited about this at all.

If this album comes out in 2018 songs like Rich spirit would’ve been a hit.