Kenyon Martin takes Draymond to the glue factory and list 50 PFs better than him all time.

[RedBull]

Again….Charles isn’t putting up those same numbers if tasked with defending in the manner Draymond is tasked with.

Too much to ask on both sides of the ball along with Chuck not being a perimeter defender

Because Draymond is a better defender, yes. That’s his strong point.

 

[VegetasHairline]

Power Forwards weren’t asked to facilitate offenses back then, that was the PG’s job. They were asked to play the post, rebound, play defense, and be the equalizer before anything. If they could score it was a plus, Malone and Barkley changed the position because they were scorers. No power forward was asked to pass the ball because they played the game different back then. Can’t compare past eras of PFs to Draymond because the game is totally different and he was on a team with the GOAT shooter and arguably the 2nd greatest shooter of all time which enhances his assist totals. It’s no thing to stand at the top of the key and wait for Steph or Klay to come of a pick on a curl and dump the ball to them. But it’s not to minimize him, it’s just the reality. Draymond doesn’t have the burden of being the top scorer AND/OR rebounder of his team like Malone, Barkley, Tim, KG, Kemp, Webber, or Dirk. Also, they were the top dogs and lead players on their teams, while Draymond is an excellent role player who doesn’t have to carry his team.

Minnesota and Sacramento were running offense thru KG and Webber.
They both used to put up 20/10/5 constantly.

 

[mastermind]

Barkley use to get the rebound and lead the break. You have to put these guys in draymond role. It’s not hating. You saying they’re not cerebral but these guys ain’t passing to Steph KD Klay. A player like Barkley could easily do draymond role if called upon. Also wing to post defense who was draymond guarding out in the wing? He not guarding Point guards out there unless there’s a switch. It’s a lot of hypotheticals but saying these top PF just can’t do it I don’t agree.

So if you out Webber on the warriors he couldn’t do draymond roles? Look at draymonds role and what’s he’s asked to do. Ask yourself if I put a man child like Chris Webber in draymonds role could he do it. He ain’t even gotta worry about dropping 20 points a game.

No he couldn’t facilitate

Webber became a better when he didn’t play like a point forward. I watched Webber’s entire career from Michigan, onward. He a) was not a facilitator b)was much better with the ball closer to basket than at the high key c) didn't bring the ball up to set up the offense

Webber was a great post passer and when he realized that in Sacramento, he became all nba player.

 

[daboywonder2002]

Minnesota and Sacramento were running offense thru KG and Webber.
They both used to put up 20/10/5 constantly.

Those are all NBA first team players. Of course you could put them in Golden state and they would find a way to win. That's not fair. Let's keep the conversation between Kenyon Martin and Draymond Green

 

[JP_614]

No he couldn’t facilitate

Webber became a better when he didn’t play like a point forward. I watched Webber’s entire career from Michigan, onward. He a) was not a facilitator b)was much better with the ball closer to basket than at the high key c) didn't bring the ball up to set up the offense

Webber was a great post passer and when he realized that in Sacramento, he became all nba player.

Man you not understanding what I’m saying look at the role draymond plays you think Chris Webber can’t come into that role and give you what draymond is giving you?

 

[daboywonder2002]

Man you not understanding what I’m saying look at the role draymond plays you think Chris Webber can’t come into that role and give you what draymond is giving

Everyone knows what Webber can do. Pass, score, rebound all at a high level. He's not gonna give you the defense. But Webber is smart and will provide great team defense.

 

[CHICAGO]

Those are all NBA first team players. Of course you could put them in Golden state and they would find a way to win. That's not fair. Let's keep the conversation between Kenyon Martin and Draymond Green

TELL THAT TO THE nikkaS
WHO INVOKED THE NAMES
OF BARKLEY, MALONE, WEBBER ECT
TO PROP UP DRAYMOND



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[mastermind]

Man you not understanding what I’m saying look at the role draymond plays you think Chris Webber can’t come into that role and give you what draymond is giving you?

Brother, Webber wasn’t a facilitator. That wasn’t his game.

 

[Sterling Archer]

This thread took a turn for the worse.
You can have you opinions but when stupidity takes over out of frustration nikkas start saying some ridiculous shyt.
Now Charles fukking Barkley, one of THE MOST versatile players in the history of the game cant dribble like Draymond, defend like him or pass like him. You nikkas are straight delusional now. This was entertaining for a day, now its asinine.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Everyone used to try to discredit Rondo for getting assists for playing with KG, Pierce, and Allen but it's okay when Draymond gets his assists playing with Steph, Klay, and KD.

This is revisionist history. Rondo got criticized for passing up layups to hunt for assists, not for playing with good players.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Brother, Webber wasn’t a facilitator. That wasn’t his game.

Yall really in here comparing the 2000 NBA version to the 2012 version of the NBA and beyond....? Make it make sense....

 

[NYC Rebel]

This thread took a turn for the worse.
You can have you opinions but when stupidity takes over out of frustration nikkas start saying some ridiculous shyt.
Now Charles fukking Barkley, one of THE MOST versatile players in the history of the game cant dribble like Draymond, defend like him or pass like him. You nikkas are straight delusional now. This was entertaining for a day, now its asinine.

Barkley was not a good defender

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Barkley was not a good defender

True... but he was always the first option for his team the majority of his career......

 

[Deafheaven]

I'm pretty sure Barkley with prime Steph/Klay would win ships too but if you place Dray on those Suns teams they aren't going very far


He is a product of his team while still being integral which is cool, but IDK why its so hard for some folks to admit that.

 

[Greenhornet]

I still dunno why people are taking kenyon martins opinion super serious

he's a great guy and had amazing times on teams but he's not in the position to talk about whos top anything
anyone that's saw him shoot a free throw already knows this... this dude is basically a taller shawn marion if shawn marion was wack

he would have been better in that era being a 3 but he had no perimeter game or moves, he operated in a phone booth with no real moves and defenses basically gave him elbow jumpers that would most likely miss. besides running the court and catching lobs when he was young he ended up just getting trina's lips tattooed onto his neck and just flopping and standing in the paint

its commendable and he was pretty good for what its worth but he didnt make any dent in shyt doing that



ill say it again, there was a point draymond was hitting 3's at a good clip during the first 2 chips. If people say Lebron and KD etc are all time players... Draymond shut them down at one point or another. He played dirty and anchored defense. He did it and won. I was an OKC fan but it doesnt make it any less true. Draymond did the shyt that we should have done to win. Now people wanna call him terrible or mean


regardless of his antics or mouth you cant deny what Draymond did to establish Golden State. He literally did the exact opposite of what Steph and Klay brought and it was PERFECT for the team. Regardless of which team you go to or circumstance. Dray delivered when he had to, on the highest stage and did it multiple times. Every year was obviously different coaching, players, gameplan, etc ... but you cant say Dray didnt win the Warriors a handful of series, they will always play them series whether he cheated and played dirty or not. I'm a huge Rodman fan, but you cant say he was better while he was tripping Malone up and down the court and shyt... then say Draymond aint shyt for doing the same type of bullshyt. Yall just dont like Draymond because he's vocal and doesnt hide that he does the cheap shyt