Kenyon Martin takes Draymond to the glue factory and list 50 PFs better than him all time.

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Bruh I'm not a fan of Draymond at all and I hate his game offensively, but he does bring ALOT to that team. It doesn't show up on the box score but the Warriors probably don't win 2 of their 4 rings without him. Comparing him to guys like KMart who did literally nothing in the NBA, didn't leave a single impression in the league and have basically no individual accolades is disrepectful.

Dude is 12th....ALL TIME.... +/-

A stat that literally measures how well the team does with you on the court vs off.


People do not value defense like that if you aren't scoring.


If you're one of the best 5 players on the planet on the defensive side of the ball, and you handle the ball and are the lead decision maker on your team, people are gonna look at you like you're chopped liver if you aren't putting the ball in the basket yourself.


That's how we got dudes in this thread pretending Kenyon Martin was better than Draymond. All he got on him is he's a better play finisher and slightly better rebounder. Every other aspect of basketball leans Draymond. And KMart was not Amare, his play finishing was not that much better that it offsets the dramatic difference in on ball decision making.
 
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People do not value defense like that if you aren't scoring.


If you're one of the best 5 players on the planet on the defensive side of the ball, and you handle the ball and are the lead decision maker on your team, people are gonna look at you like you're chopped liver if you aren't putting the ball in the basket yourself.


That's how we got dudes in this thread pretending Kenyon Martin was better than Draymond. All he got on him is he's a better play finisher and slightly better rebounder. Every other aspect of basketball leans Draymond. And KMart was not Amare, his play finishing was not that much better that it offsets the dramatic difference in on ball decision making.

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Nba nerds really tried to argue me Draymond was better than Josh Smith. More impactful career yes. Better player hell no.
 

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People do not value defense like that if you aren't scoring.


If you're one of the best 5 players on the planet on the defensive side of the ball, and you handle the ball and are the lead decision maker on your team, people are gonna look at you like you're chopped liver if you aren't putting the ball in the basket yourself.


That's how we got dudes in this thread pretending Kenyon Martin was better than Draymond. All he got on him is he's a better play finisher and slightly better rebounder. Every other aspect of basketball leans Draymond. And KMart was not Amare, his play finishing was not that much better that it offsets the dramatic difference in on ball decision making.
Not even Draymond is the better rebounder. More career rebounds per game, more rebounds per 36 minutes and per 100 possessions, higher total rebound % for career. Kenyon was better on the offensive boards while Draymond was better on the defensive boards.
 

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KMart averaged 3 more points over his career, thats literally it.

And you talking about he got some DPOY votes.....The closest KMart came was 9th place. nikka 9TH PLACE :russ:

MF Draymond was literally DPOY. Top 3 in voting 4 other years, 2 of those years he was runner up. All defensive team most of his career. WTF point are you even trying to make here?

You gotta be KMart's burner to be this foolish.
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Bruh I'm not a fan of Draymond at all and I hate his game offensively, but he does bring ALOT to that team. It doesn't show up on the box score but the Warriors probably don't win 2 of their 4 rings without him. Comparing him to guys like KMart who did literally nothing in the NBA, didn't leave a single impression in the league and have basically no individual accolades is disrepectful.

Dude is 12th....ALL TIME.... +/-

A stat that literally measures how well the team does with you on the court vs off.
That might have something to do with being on the court with Steph and Klay the majority of the time.
 

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That might have something to do with being on the court with Steph and Klay the majority of the time.
Then why is he so much higher than Klay?

The two years Klay missed, the warriors were trash. One year they won 15 games so that likely hurt Draymond more than anything.
 
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