Kenyon Martin takes Draymond to the glue factory and list 50 PFs better than him all time.

[Osmosis]

this is objectively dishonest

1. "between 2016 and 2019"? Breh, just say 2016. Bc in 2017, 2018, and 2019, Steph was very much apart of things

2. Dray and Klay didn't "will anything. It was against the fukking blazers, who only got to the 2nd round because Chris Paul and Blake Griffin got injured. They were down 2-0 before those two got hurt. Then they won 4 straight.

3. The Warriors were losing steam against the blazers, that's why steph came back (too soon from an MCL injury) and set the all-time record for most points in an OT game.

your 2016 revisionist talking point makes no sense to people who actually watched the games. Steph played in every series that finals run.

1. Steph missed 12 playoff games between 2016 and 2019 and the Warriors went 9-3. There's nothing dishonest about that.

2. they won in the first round against Harden and were up 2-1 against Dame and CJ before Steph returned. Steph only played in 3 out of 10 games in the first two rounds of the playoffs. Most teams are not winning two consecutive playoff series with their best player missing that many games. Draymond averaged 22/11/7 and Klay averaged 31 PPG against the Blazers.. So yes, Draymond and Klay willed the team to victory.

3. The Warriors went up 2-0 without Steph. They dropped one road game before he returned but it's not like they were down in the series.

 

[Braman]

Kenyon Martin was always a liability. He was a guy who theoretically was supposed to be a factor in you winning something of significance but you knew he wasn’t going to be able to put it together. That’s much worse than a “glue” type of player.

Draymond knows his role and does it well. That’s who I want on my team. He was a key piece on all those title teams, period. If you were a KEY contributor to title teams you deserve the accolades. Much better than K-Mart putting up 15 points and not winning shyt.

A role player’s barometer is significantly easier. So it’s disingenuous to grade them the same as a more talented player who is tasked with and expected to do more

It’s like saying tayshaun Prince is better than Carmelo bc ‘he knew his role’. Of course he did! That’s all he was qualified for.

Eric Snow was perfect to play next to AI. A Gilbert Arenas, or stephon Marbury, etc would be a disaster next to AI. That doesn’t mean Eric snow is better than Gilbert Arenas or stephon Marbury

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

In a heads up squabble, I think Dray would actually chop him down.That shyt he threw at Jordan Poole was cleaner than anything I ever saw from Kenyon.

 

[Rigby.]

Nfs when we was doing that daily “is X nikka better than Dray” shyt on here and got to like day 40 Best time I spent on the coli

 

[Osmosis]

You can’t possibly be trying to make a Draymond without Steph argument. And Lol @ willed. For fukks sake.

Why cherry pick a small sample size that was in the midst of a title run and defenses didn’t have time to adjust. Why not look at 2019 when they went 15-50? Or, idk, just pull up career numbers?!

Draymond Green Stats Without Steph Curry Warriors | StatMuse

Draymond Green has averaged 8.0 points, 6.7 rebounds and 5.8 assists in 128 games for the Warriors without Stephen Curry in his career.

www.statmuse.com

Ahefty 128 game sample size w/out Steph: 8,7, and 6. 52-76.

So a plus defender with intriguing pass ability but an offensive liability which rendered him a losing asset….in other words, a fukking afterthought. Boris Diaw with a mean streak

Because 70 games where Draymond was playing with non-NBA players like Ky Bowman and Eric Paschall is a more representative sample

I mentioned his playoff record without Steph to show that he sustained their dynasty during critical moments where it easily could have faltered. He averaged 13/10/7 and 22/11/7 in consecutive playoff rounds with minimal contributions from Steph.

It’s funny how the same people who call Draymond triple-single seem to praise guys like Rodman and Ben Wallace. Their career stats aren’t much different from those numbers you posted.. The only difference is that Draymond plays in an era where the impact of the best defensive player of his generation isn’t fully appreciated.

 

[Braman]

Because 70 games where Draymond was playing with non-NBA players like Ky Bowman and Eric Paschall is a more representative sample

I mentioned his playoff record without Steph to show that he sustained their dynasty during critical moments where it easily could have faltered. He averaged 13/10/7 and 22/11/7 in consecutive playoff rounds with minimal contributions from Steph.

It’s funny how the same people who call Draymond triple-single seem to praise guys like Rodman and Ben Wallace. Their career stats aren’t much different from those numbers you posted.. The only difference is that Draymond plays in an era where the impact of the best defensive player of his generation isn’t fully appreciated.

No, no no. We not doin that. 128 games ngga. Only 43 of those were 2019. Oops, Draymond himself was 10-33 in 2019, not 15-50

Also if you play with nobodies and you’re a guy, you either elevate them or you gettin yours. Kobe played with ‘nobodies’ and averaged a career high and scored 81. Horace grant the year Mike left was an all star. MPJ right this second is having a career year. Draymond’s game didn’t move not one inch in 2019 or any other time he hasn’t had Steph. Which proves he is an overhyped role player.

 

[Braman]

The crazy thing about that video is Kenyon throws in Popeye Jones and Bo outlaw for kicks and giggles….but that’s actually the level of talent Draymond is at. Lunch pail glue guys. If them nggas played with Steph Curry they’d be regarded just like Draymond

 

[HandyWithTheSteel]

You can’t possibly be trying to make a Draymond without Steph argument. And Lol @ willed. For fukks sake.

Why cherry pick a small sample size that was in the midst of a title run and defenses didn’t have time to adjust. Why not look at 2019 when they went 15-50? Or, idk, just pull up career numbers?!

Draymond Green Stats Without Steph Curry Warriors | StatMuse

Draymond Green has averaged 8.0 points, 6.7 rebounds and 5.8 assists in 128 games for the Warriors without Stephen Curry in his career.

www.statmuse.com

Ahefty 128 game sample size w/out Steph: 8,7, and 6. 52-76.

So a plus defender with intriguing pass ability but an offensive liability which rendered him a losing asset….in other words, a fukking afterthought. Boris Diaw with a mean streak

The Warriors were blatantly tanking in ‘19-‘20. If you take away that season then Draymond’s career record without Steph is 42-43.

That’s the same as Dennis Rodman in ‘93 when he went 40-42 in his only season without Isiah, D-Rob, or MJ.

Draymond and Rodman are the same when you take away their HOF teammates.

 

[Braman]

The Warriors were blatantly tanking in ‘19-‘20. If you take away that season then Draymond’s career record without Steph is 42-43

That still leaves you with an afterthought of a player tf lmao You need to be dynasty warriors good to justify dikkriding 8,7, and 6. Anything less and he is Bo outlaw

And lol @ they were tanking….nah that’s revisionist. They weren’t ‘purposely’ trying to do anything. Their 3rd best player just happened to be ASS. And some of you try to say he was more important than Klay so let y’all tell it 2nd best player.

There has never in life been a 2nd best player supposed a HOF talent that if #1 goes down you are now the worst team in the league. See Pippen the Jordan retirement year. See Russ in okc after KD left. Hell look at the Celtics, lost #1, #3, #5, etc still .500. Bc Jaylen brown is nice. So no, GS bottomed out bc their so called 3rd/2nd best player is ASS

 

[HandyWithTheSteel]

That still leaves you with an afterthought of a player tf lmao You need to be dynasty warriors good to justify dikkriding 8,7, and 6. Anything less and he is Bo outlaw

And lol @ they were tanking….nah that’s revisionist. They weren’t ‘purposely’ trying to do anything. Their 3rd best player just happened to be ASS. And some of you try to say he was more important than Klay so let y’all tell it 2nd best player.

There has never in life been a 2nd best player supposed a HOF talent that if #1 goes down you are now the worst team in the league. See Pippen the Jordan retirement year. See Russ in okc after KD left. Hell look at the Celtics, lost #1, #3, #5, etc still .500. Bc Jaylen brown is nice. So no, GS bottomed out bc their so called 3rd/2nd best player is ASS

Why did you edit out the rest of the post? That’s the same record as Rodman in his one and only season without MJ, Isaiah, or Robinson.

If Draymond is an afterthought then so is Rodman since he never did shut without an ATG teammate either.

And if the Warriors weren’t tanking is that why Eric Paschall led the team in games played, minutes, and field goal attempts? Steve Kerr must’ve just really liked him for some reason, huh?

 

[The_Sheff]

A role player’s barometer is significantly easier. So it’s disingenuous to grade them the same as a more talented player who is tasked with and expected to do more

It’s like saying tayshaun Prince is better than Carmelo bc ‘he knew his role’. Of course he did! That’s all he was qualified for.

Eric Snow was perfect to play next to AI. A Gilbert Arenas, or stephon Marbury, etc would be a disaster next to AI. That doesn’t mean Eric snow is better than Gilbert Arenas or stephon Marbury

The difference being Carmelo had a role and he did it well. Did he win a title, no, but you can’t say he didn’t go out there and do his job.

Did Kenyon Martin perform well in his role? No he didn’t. So his role fell down to get easy buckets from Jason Kidd. That’s all he was good for. And doing that shyt ain’t gonna lead to a title. He just became a name. If your role on a team is to get easy baskets due to someone else then shut the fukk up. You ain’t qualified to speak on anyone.

Draymond role wasn’t to score. He was out there to defend, distribute, and antagonize. Can you win a title with that type of player as your main guy, no you can’t. But that type of guy can be pivotal to you winning a title if he is with the right stars.

I can’t say KMart could do anything that contributes to a title that others couldn’t. I can say that about Draymond.

 

[CHICAGO]

Great players be great anywhere

We saw Dennis go to three different teams and be great

If Draymond was traded to Portland i bet they would won 1

LMAO

DRAY IS NOT A GREAT PLAYER.



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[Field Marshall Bradley]

LMAO

IF DRAY WASN'T DRAFTED
TO CURRYS TEAM HE WOULD
HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE LEAGUE IN 4 YEARS



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The sad part is, everybody knows this and internet nerds still capes for him, under the guise that "you don't know basketball" if you reduce Draymond to what he actually is, which is a good role player..... Horace Grant>>>>>>>>Draymond

 

[Cladyclad]

LMAO

DRAY IS NOT A GREAT PLAYER.



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Great player

Hall of famer

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

And if Rodman weren’t drafted by the Bad Boys he would’ve been cross dressing in Europe.

Rodman started for 2 championship winning franchises and got picked up by 4 legendary, well ran winning franchises during his career.....