Kenyon Martin takes Draymond to the glue factory and list 50 PFs better than him all time.

Braman

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KMart wasn't driving no fukking bus

He was TASKED with driving the bus. So whatever failure he endured, it was under those expectations. Draymond NEVER had expectations. Ever. It matters

Put it this way: Kenyon Martin tried to bag Halle Berry and failed.

Draymond’s mans bagged Beyonce, and Draymond talks shyt about it

Nah we respect the shooter.
 

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Curry's record without Dray is still well above .500 indicating that whoever fills in for Dray does more than enough to keep the team running effectively.

Anyone care to argue this point ? :mjlol: Or are we going to pretend that the one game Dray missed vs. the Cavs means everything
Draymond went 9-3 in the playoffs without Steph between 2016 and 2019.

Dray and Klay basically willed the Warriors to the WCF in 2016 when Steph was recovering from his MCL injury.


 

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Draymond went 9-3 in the playoffs without Steph between 2016 and 2019.

Dray and Klay basically willed the Warriors to the WCF in 2016 when Steph was recovering from his MCL injury.



What are his career numbers? Cherry picking games can be done for a lot of guys.

Here’s a washed Drew Gooden being more effective than Draymond offensively



Kevin Durant was also there from 2017-2019 :mjlol:

To pretend like Draymond is some great or even good player without Steph Curry around using a couple games from 9 years ago while ignoring his abysmal stats and W/L record is disingenuous as hell
 

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Draymond went 9-3 in the playoffs without Steph between 2016 and 2019.

Dray and Klay basically willed the Warriors to the WCF in 2016 when Steph was recovering from his MCL injury.




You can’t possibly be trying to make a Draymond without Steph argument. And Lol @ willed. For fukks sake.

Why cherry pick a small sample size that was in the midst of a title run and defenses didn’t have time to adjust. Why not look at 2019 when they went 15-50? Or, idk, just pull up career numbers?!


Ahefty 128 game sample size w/out Steph: 8,7, and 6. 52-76.

So a plus defender with intriguing pass ability but an offensive liability which rendered him a losing asset….in other words, a fukking afterthought. Boris Diaw with a mean streak
 

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There are at minimum for 50 power forwards better than him. His numbers both with and without Steph are paltry at best.

He does nothing great on the court aside from help side defense and flagrant fouls. Not a good one on one defender, can’t score worth a damn, can’t shoot worth a damn, and is an okay passer because he’s not asked to do anything else.
This post is bad. And you should feel bad.

Draymond at his peak was basically a floor general defensively.
 

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Me to Chat gpt- Look up how many points Kenyon martin averaged in each playoff series when he played with the Nuggets?

Good question. Here are Kenyon Martin’s average points per game in each playoff series with the Denver Nuggets, based on his postseason stats:

2005 Playoffs
  • vs. Spurs (1st Round) – 12.4 PPG

2006 Playoffs
  • vs. Clippers (1st Round) – 4.5 PPG (played only 2 games)

2008 Playoffs
  • vs. Lakers (1st Round) – 8.8 PPG

2009 Playoffs
  • vs. Hornets (1st Round) – 10.0 PPG
  • vs. Mavericks (2nd Round) – 9.8 PPG
  • vs. Lakers (Conference Finals) – 12.5 PPG
    2010 Playoffs
    • vs. Jazz (1st Round) – 10.0 PPG

2011 Playoffs
  • vs. Thunder (1st Round) – 11.8 PPG

Career Playoff Averages (Kenyon Martin)
  • 12.9 points per game
  • 6.8 rebounds per game
  • 1.8 assists per game

Here's Draymond numbers
Here are Draymond Green’s points per game (PPG) in every NBA Playoff series (by year):
  • 2013 vs Nuggets (1st Round): 7.3
  • 2013 vs Spurs (Conf. Semis): 4.3
  • 2014 vs Clippers (1st Round): 11.9
  • 2015 vs Pelicans (1st Round): 13.7
  • 2015 vs Rockets (Conf. Semis): 10.9
  • 2015 vs Cavaliers (Conf. Finals): 7.8
  • 2016 vs Trail Blazers (Conf. Semis): 22.2
  • 2016 vs Cavaliers (Finals): 16.5
  • 2017 vs Jazz (1st Round): 13.1
  • 2017 vs Spurs (Conf. Semis): 13.6
  • 2017 vs Cavaliers (Finals): 9.8
  • 2018 vs Pelicans (1st Round): 10.8
  • 2018 vs Spurs (Conf. Semis): 8.4
  • 2018 vs Rockets (Conf. Finals): 7.6
  • 2018 vs Cavaliers (Finals): 10.4
  • 2019 vs Rockets (1st Round): 13.3
  • 2019 vs Blazers (Conf. Semis): 16.5
  • 2019 vs Cavaliers (Finals): 10.3
  • 2022 vs Nuggets (1st Round): 8.0
  • 2023 vs Kings (1st Round): 9.5
  • 2023 vs Lakers (Conf. Semis): 9.3
  • 2025 vs Rockets (1st Round): 8.0
  • 2025 vs Timberwolves (Conf. Semis): 10.6
Career Playoff Averages (per series):
  • Points per game: 11.4
  • Rebounds: 8.6
  • Assists: 6.0
 

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Draymond went 9-3 in the playoffs without Steph between 2016 and 2019.

Dray and Klay basically willed the Warriors to the WCF in 2016 when Steph was recovering from his MCL injury.



This was against Portland. With or without Steph, the Warriors OWNED the Blazers.
The Blazers blew a double digit lead in every game of that series too.
:hubie:
 

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Yea, what ARE we doing. Only new age fans and casuals don’t understand that you cant compare someone with Alpha expectations vs someone who’s a support piece. It’s like Horace Grant thinking he’s better than Charles Barkley. I HATE when people do this. Modern ring culture has taken it to the moon. With Draymond being the face of it

Sadly Draymond is gonna ride into the HOF based on circumstance (Steph), but he’s never been a better player than Kenyon Martin, who underachieved but he was tasked with doing far more. Only hoopers understand
Well Kenyon Martin is a lot closer to Ho Grant than he is Barkley
 

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Yea and zeke, jordan and pippen got Rodman in the HOF

Rodman has a tangible stat that stands out historically. Rebounds. He would have been a HOFer without them/if he never moved around after Detroit. When you average 17 boards a game (19 w/ SA, you left them out), and no one else of your generation does, you are going to be a HOFer regardless. Rodman is far more like a Jason Kidd, or Mutombo, than a Draymond green

Unlike them, Draymond mostly had no tangibles just getting group project credit for intangibles and vibes
 
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