Kevin Love

[MustafaSTL]

Actually your wrong, Minnesota would definitely consider that trade, because when they had to opportunity to sign Love to a longer deal, they didn't...so if are telling me they are not dumb enough to offer it...then how come when they had the chance and money to sign him to a longer contract they didn't?

It is actually the Spurs who hangs up the phone on that trade, because in real life you do not trade away a young small forward who can shoot, borderline create any shot he wants for himself, play elite perimeter defense, and rebound exceptionally well. There is virtually nothing Leviathan doesn't do well, so you don't trade a person like that for anyone. Exactly how many 6 "8" wings in the league shoot above league average for 3, while playing elite defense, while also letting you run the offense through them, while also being a force on the boards, while also learning how to create his own shot from anywhere on the floor, while still being on his rookie deal?

Nobody in the league would trade Kevin Love for Kawhi fukking Leonard straight up. This is as dumb as the thread trying to compare Paul George to Kawhi Leonard. He's not an elite player, just a good role player with better elite players around him. There's plenty of those type of players in the league.

 

[duckbutta]

Nobody in the league would trade Kevin Love for Kawhi fukking Leonard straight up. This is as dumb as the thread trying to compare Paul George to Kawhi Leonard. He's not an elite player, just a good role player with better elite players around him. There's plenty of that in those type of players in the league.

I almost negged you for stupidity, but your basketball IQ is so low that at the last moment I realized you are to be pitied and not ridiculed for it...

If the spurs put Leviathan on the market, the only outright players who would not be offered are the Lebron James's, Kevind Durant's, Chris Paul's of the world...

Plenty of players like Leviathan in the league huh...yeah okay..

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This awesome team you speak of was the same one that won 17 games before melo right? Melo arriving, resulting in one of the greatest year-to-year improvements in league history, was just some sort of coincidence. Obviously.

Not saying Melo wasn't the most important piece on the team, but lets not act like they were the same team from the season before.

They added Miller who had significant impact on turning the team around - they didn't even have a proper PG the year before. Probably was some bum like Whitney running the offense. Boykins helped them pushed the pace off the bench. Camby played more of a leading role on the defensive end. Lenard contributed more than what they had before..... infact let me google this.

Entering the 2002-03 season, Bzdelik inherited the worst roster in modern NBA history. In order to move "toxic assets" off the books, then-Nuggets GM KikiVandeweghe had pillaged the roster of what little talent it had remaining, and left Bzdelik with a roster of no-names such as Chris Andersen (who made the team after an open tryout...unheard of in the modern NBA), Mark Blount, Rodney White, Donnell Harvey, Junior Harrington, Vincent Yarbrough, Chris Whitney, Shammond Williams, Ryan Bowen, Kenny Satterfieldand PredragSavovic (who? He played 27 games that season!) and two teenage rookies with even funnier sounding names than Bzdelik: NikolozTskitishvili and Maybyner"Nene" Hilario.

Under Bzdelik's tutelage, 2002-03 was a dreadful season record-wise. The Nuggets won just 17 games, the third worst outing in franchise history, and were routinely clobbered by their opposition. They averaged 84.2 points per game (29th out of 29 NBA teams) and their attendance ranked 25th. In one game they put up just 53 points. A mere 58 in another. They scored in the mid-to-low 60s on three other occasions and managed less than 80 points a total of 30 times, more than a third of their games.

And yet if you watched this team play each game as I did, you'd never have guessed they were a 17-win team. In fact, you could argue (as I have on numerous occasions), that they won 17 more games than they ever should have.

Jeff Bzdelik changed the culture of professional basketball in Denver. The Nuggets may have suffered from years of ineptitude beforehand, had no money to work with, and an all-time worst roster to boot - i.e. the perfect storm for what should have turned into the fewest wins in NBA history - but Bzdelik never used any of this as an excuse. UnderBzdelik, the Nuggets players were going to out-hustle and outwork their opponents virtually every night. They would play unselfishly and commit to defense, or they wouldn't get back on the floor.

After one season with Bzdelik at the helm, playing in Denver no longer seemed like a death sentence to NBA players. Thanks to good fortune with the draft, a few ofVandeweghe's trades panning out and - most importantly - the atmosphere of effort, selflessness and confidence built from the ground up by Bzdelik - the Nuggets were able to build off of Bzdelik's energy and return to the playoffs the following season. Six seasons later, the Nuggets are one of just three teams in the Western Conference to have appeared in the postseason for five consecutive seasons.

Most of those bums weren't even there the season after. The turnaround doesn't really paint a clear picture of what Melo contributed, it's all mixed in there with the shyt they had prior, coach adjustment, culture change and roster changes.

And why has this now turned into an argument about Melo - you still haven't answered my question.

 

[MustafaSTL]

I almost negged you for stupidity, but your basketball IQ is so low that at the last moment I realized you are to be pitied and not ridiculed for it...

If the spurs put Leviathan on the market, the only outright players who would not be offered are the Lebron James's, Kevind Durant's, Chris Paul's of the world...

Plenty of players like Leviathan in the league huh...yeah okay..

I understand you are a butthurt Spurs fan, so you think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. But for us regular people who actually know the game of basketball, he is not an elite player. Yes, he is just a role player. He is not a player that would lead a team. Again, this was addressed and laughed at in the Paul George comparison thread, I said the same thing there (as did many others), and it has proven to be true so far. He is good for the role that he plays, he is not an elite top 10-20 type of player in this league. Stop it.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

We all the know the answer to that is Dirk, stop playing

I fuxk with Dirk, but I don't know if he could even carry those shytty ass backcourts/teams into the playoffs.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Not saying Melo wasn't the most important piece on the team, but lets not act like they were the same team from the season before.

They added Miller who had significant impact on turning the team around - they didn't even have a proper PG the year before. Probably was some bum like Whitney running the offense. Boykins helped them pushed the pace off the bench. Camby played more of a leading role on the defensive end. Lenard contributed more than what they had before..... infact let me google this.



Most of those bums weren't even there the season after. The turnaround doesn't really paint a clear picture of what Melo contributed, it's all mixed in there with the shyt they had prior, coach adjustment, culture change and roster changes.

And why has this now turned into an argument about Melo - you still haven't answered my question.

That column read like a PR puff piece for Jeff Bzdelic....Im not trying to derail this thread, but in fact put things in perspective. Melo is considered a disappointment, yet by this point in his career he was leading the nuggets to 50 wins a year in a brutally tough conference. Im invoking Melo, because you cant make a case that the team he played on his rookie year where he made the playoffs, was better than the teams Love played on AS A VETERAN that sht the bed....so I am genuinely confused here, when people start talking about Love being an elite player. At some point you have to win something...its not like we're asking him to win a title, and if Love were black he would have long been dismissed as a stat padding, no d playing, head case by now.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That column read like a PR puff piece for Jeff Bzdelic....Im not trying to derail this thread, but in fact put things in perspective.

No you're not. I see your agenda.

Melo is considered a disappointment, yet by this point in his career he was leading the nuggets to 50 wins a year in a brutally tough conference.

Melo's been fortunate in that he's had better rosters to play with. If you put him on these T'Wolves teams , in correspondence with Love's age, he wouldn't be sniffing those Nuggets W/L records.

Im invoking Melo, because you cant make a case that the team he played on his rookie year where he made the playoffs, was better than the teams Love played on AS A VETERAN that sht the bed....

Love's not really a veteran. He only just turned 25 and has only played around 300 games. It's not through lack of effort/production on Love's part, on why those teams didn't make the playoffs. As of now, Minny isn't on pace to beat the 03/04 Nuggets record of 43-39, yet Love is having equal if not more impact on games than Melo did in his rookie season.

and if Love were black he would have long been dismissed as a stat padding, no d playing, head case by now.

And there it is.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

The level of discourse and lack of knowledge in this thread in really embarrassing.

 

[USSInsiders]

People are still making this argument?

Did you watch the game last night? That handsome cac fakkit was nonexistant in the final minutes. His coach trusted the ball in the hands of Pekovic more than he did in his supposed best player on the team.

He's David Lee on the Knicks status

 

[WaddupDoe!]

Top 15/20

 

[Texas2step]

I'll ask you again which PFs in the league would make the playoffs with backcourts that consisted of: Ridnour/Lee/Barea/Shved/Johnson/Brewer etc etc throughout their careers?

Lets recount the seasons where he was one of the main guys, where he could play a leading role in taking the T'Wolves to the playoffs:

2010/2011 - Played with Wesley Johnson, Beasley, Ridnour and Darko - the 8th seeded Grizzlies won 46-36; no PF was taking the aforementioned players to the playoffs.

2011/2012 - Played with Rubio, Ridnour, Pekovic, Barea, Martell Webster, Beasley and Westley Johnson - the 8th seeded Jazz won 36-30; no PF was taking the aforementioned players to the playoffs

2013/2014 - Only played 18 games of the season.

That leaves only TWO seasons where through his own contributions, he could 'lead' the team to the playoffs. It's not hard to see why those teams didn't sniff the playoffs and it certainly has NOTHING to do with Love's output/production.

Strong PG play (Melo never contributed to), fast pace (probably the fastest tempo in the league), good interior D (Melo never contributed to). It really didn't amount to much since they got dealt to in the first round and Melo played garbage.

We'd probably be better than the backcourts that Love has had to carry throughout the season(s). He's an elite player until proven otherwise, meaning if he has a decent roster to play with and fails to make any noise in the West, then his card should be revoked.

Didnt Bosh take the Raptors to the playoffs?????

 

[USSInsiders]

Didnt Bosh take the Raptors to the playoffs?????

once and they got swept if I recall correctly

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Didnt Bosh take the Raptors to the playoffs?????

Would Bosh take Wesley Johnson, Beasley, Ridnour to the playoffs with a Western conference schduele?

 

[yo moms]

hes trash on my 2k team

 

[Texas2step]

Would Bosh take Wesley Johnson, Beasley, Ridnour to the playoffs with a Western conference schduele?

Bosh done it twice with an even worse team with Anthony Parker as his 2nd