KG vs. Team USA in '00 :damn:

[Draje]

You clearly never watched KG play to think that's a retarded statement. KG's post moves were based on quickness, agility and explosiveness. In the playoffs he could be BULLIED in the post, unlike Tim Duncan who was stronger and able to maintain strong post position. Tim Duncan's movements were stronger while KG's movements were quicker and more agile, because KG is a 4 and Tim Duncan is a 5.

Also the Spurs were consistently much better coached to help give Tim Duncan better looks in the post than the Wolves.

None of that shyt matters. Quickness, ability, and explosiveness aren't what make post moves good...it's how effective they are.

If you got Hakeem footwork and post moves that you can't reliably use to get buckets, are you better than a dude like Shaq?

Duncan was a far more reliable low-post presence and offensive force. Just because he's mastered fundamentals and efficiency to a degree where it's boring doesn't mean shyt.

 

[staticshock]

I've always had KG over Duncan.

the few years KG had any type help, he won the MVP in 2004, then won the Title in 2008, was 1 quarter away from winning in 2010, ECF in 2011.
Duncan was surrounded by HOF talent all his life with the GOAT coach, look at the Spurs now without him, havent missed a beat.

KG = GOAT PF
Duncan = product of a system

Prime vs Prime. Nah. Career wise, maybe. Much of that having to do with Dirk being in a much better situation than KG throughout his career,

Y'all don't give Bron the benefit of the doubt for playing with scrubs for most of his career tho

 

[TheNig]

I remember watching this years ago and thinking

"He ain't do that to Kobe tho "

 

[Shorty K]

None of that shyt matters. Quickness, ability, and explosiveness aren't what make post moves good...it's how effective they are.

If you got Hakeem footwork and post moves that you can't reliably use to get buckets, are you better than a dude like Shaq?

Duncan was a far more reliable low-post presence and offensive force. Just because he's mastered fundamentals and efficiency to a degree where it's boring doesn't mean shyt.

So we've established that Tim Duncan is better at playing Center than KG

 

[ISO]

The talent around Tim is so grossly overrated. And conversely the talent around KG is so grossly underrated. Cats act like Duncan didn't lead Avery Johnson, Mario Elie, and a flabby D. Rob to a sweep of Kobe/Shaq/Rice in his 2nd season. Cats act like KG didn't have the likes of Marbury and Chauncey and Gugliotta. If we keeping it 100 was there really a significant difference between Troy Hudson and young TP? nikkas act like KG didn't play with Ray Allen and Pierce and Rondo for 6 years with 1 chip to show for it.

KG had the talent to be the GOAT PF and GOAT player really but he didn't have the actual impact. We never saw him dominate series on both ends like Duncan did. He wasn't even the defender Duncan was early on, although he grew into it eventually. If we are being real, he's actually what folks falsely accuse Bron of being...a guy that had talent and put up numbers but when shyt got hot was nowhere to be found and needed superteams to carry him.

Nah. He had Marbury for two seasons they were teenagers.

Billups wasn't Billups on Minnesota, he was a severe underachiever early in his career and already a journeymen by the time he was on Minnesota. His last year there is where he showed some flashes of what he could be, and then Detroit scooped him up and he turned his career around on Detroit and Denver.

Tom Gugliotta? Really b?

Oh, and "flabby" D-Rob was still pretty damn good until '02.

 

[jwinfield]

Oh, and "flabby" D-Rob was still pretty damn good until '02.

Duncan won in 03 with an old D-Rob, 20 year old Tony Parker and a rookie Ginobili putting up 8ppg.

Duncan averaged 25/15/5/3 in the playoffs.

Duncan was the only elite talent on the roster.

 

[Mandizi]

young K.G. with the 7'1 crossover
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He's the predecessor to Durant as far as tall forwards with unusually smooth, fluid handles. KD has upped it a notch though.

 

[FTBS]

Nah. He had Marbury for two seasons they were teenagers.

Billups wasn't Billups on Minnesota, he was a severe underachiever early in his career and already a journeymen by the time he was on Minnesota. His last year there is where he showed some flashes of what he could be, and then Detroit scooped him up and he turned his career around on Detroit and Denver.

Tom Gugliotta? Really b?

Oh, and "flabby" D-Rob was still pretty damn good until '02.

How much better were the guys Duncan had early on? They were journeymen and they were in their 30s. The Celtic years happened as well.

 

[Controversy]

Only thing KG had on Tim was handles. Tim is one of GOAT big man passers. I know you aren't talking about post moves . KG wasn't a threat from 3 so how did he have more range?

KG regularly hit long twos with more frequency than Tim

Has Tim ever avg 5 dimes a game for a season?

Has Tim ever won DPOY?

 

[ISO]

How much better were the guys Duncan had early on? They were journeymen and they were in their 30s. The Celtic years happened as well.

San Antonio teams were better than Minnesota, they were more well coached and they were better defensive teams. KG was the only good defender on his team, outside of '04, the Wolves never ranked in the top 10 defensively, if you replaced KG with a league average PF they would probably be a bottom defense.

In those Celtics years, Tim Duncan didn't win shyt either.

Also, Tim Duncan WASN'T a PF in those Celtics years

KG got a chip, and if he didn't get injured in '09 they could have potentially repeated as that team was on a 70 win pace, then LeBron went to Miami and shut the East down and after '12 it was a wrap for Boston.

 

[ISO]

I remember watching this years ago and thinking

"He ain't do that to Kobe tho "

Kobe didn't make the '00 Olympic team

If Kobe was there he would get that work too just like Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Jason Kidd, Steve Smith, and Vince Carter.

How do you stop a 7-footer with that handle, speed, mean streak, and midrange shooting touch in full court one-on-one sessions.

He can cover the whole court in a couple strides, can cross you over, and is a threat to pull up right over you with a drifter from out to the three point line even if you stop him you have to score on a 7-footer with the later quickness of a guard.

 

[BigTyme Records]

DUde isnt that far off from duncan,

 

[Malta]

San Antonio teams were better than Minnesota, they were more well coached and they were better defensive teams. KG was the only good defender on his team, outside of '04, the Wolves never ranked in the top 10 defensively, if you replaced KG with a league average PF they would probably be a bottom defense.

In those Celtics years, Tim Duncan didn't win shyt either.

Also, Tim Duncan WASN'T a PF in those Celtics years

KG got a chip, and if he didn't get injured in '09 they could have potentially repeated as that team was on a 70 win pace, then LeBron went to Miami and shut the East down and after '12 it was a wrap for Boston.

Prime for Prime, Duncan's scoring in the playoffs was far and away better than KGs, that isn't even up for debate. You put KG on the 02-03 title Spurs and they don't win the chip, Duncan gave them 25/15/5/3 on 53% for the entire playoff run and absolutely destroyed the Lakers on the way to winning the chip.


Duncan's scoring went up in the playoffs, KGs went down, Duncan got more efficient in the playoffs, KG got less efficient

GOAT PF.

 

[FTBS]

KG regularly hit long twos with more frequency than Tim

Has Tim ever avg 5 dimes a game for a season?

Has Tim ever won DPOY?

Tim was automatic from 15-20 feet.

He did for a playoff run, a championship playoff run where he lead his team in that category as well as every other one.

Nope. Has KG anchored one of the best defenses in the L for almost 2 decades straight?

 

[ISO]

Prime for Prime, Duncan's scoring in the playoffs was far and away better than KGs, that isn't even up for debate. You put KG on the 02-03 title Spurs and they don't win the chip, Duncan gave them 25/15/5/3 on 53% for the entire playoff run and absolutely destroyed the Lakers on the way to winning the chip.


Duncan's scoring went up in the playoffs, KGs went down, Duncan got more efficient in the playoffs, KG got less efficient

GOAT PF.

Breh, he is not a pure PF...

I'm looking at position estimates from these playoff runs y'all talking about
-'02 TD played 81% of his minutes at the 5 in the playoffs with D-Rob missing games
-'03 TD played 50% of his minutes at the 5 in the playoffs

It's got to be considered, you the G.O.A.T. PF but you played more seasons at C? You the G.O.A.T. PF but even when you was playing PF you was logging heavy minutes at C...

What if KG played the 5?