Kill all that Durant as MVP noise

[Primetime21]

Kd needs to stop working out with Bron during the offseason for starters. I don't think you can work out with your main rival that you are trying to beat. For one he's your friend, and then like Kerr said he's probaby learned some of his moves and tendencies and when he's gonna use them. Bron wasn't slick inviting KD to workout with him. He knew who had next in the L.

Have you seen the videos of their workouts? Most of that stuff is just strength & conditioning

 

[Champ_KW]

Are you nikkas serious?

Jesus...

Durant is ONLY a better shooter than LeBron. That's it. LeBron is just as good at scoring because he's a better slasher/finisher than Durant. LeBron is also a much better offensive player.

He averages more assists and less turnovers despite being the primary playmaker for his team, is a better rebounder, a much better passer, has better court vision, has a more reliable post game, and is still a great shooter.

Not only that, he's a FAR better defender than Durant. LeBron gets less blocks because he's far more conscious of fouling and very rarely jumps for a shot he knows he can't block.

Durant's statline is not impressive when you realize he wasn't doing ANYTHING when Bron was in the game. Hell, the second he showed signs of life, Lebron came back into the game and shut that crap down by nailing a 28 footer.

Durant is the 2nd best player in the game but he's not even in the same damn tier as Bron. LeBron has a bigger impact offensively, is just as capable at scoring, a better rebounder, and a more versatile defender. He can literally effect both sides of the ball at an elite level.

This is the perfect example of how perception shapes reality. You gave KD his props as only being a better shooter and said Bron slash and drives better....yet KD has more dunks than Bron does despite all those highlight fast breaks that Bron gets. That would suggests that KD attacks the rim just as good as Bron. Keep hanging your hat on KD just being a shooter. A measley .7 separate them in rebound avg...but he's just a shooter?? And stop copping pleas about Bron block numbers. He's not blocking shots cause he doesn't want to??? Yeah ok.

And yes Bron came down and hit a shot to put out the fire...doesn't take away from the 22 him and the Heat ate in the 4th though. Y'all act like any praise of another player somehow equates to crapping on Bron. Nothing you can say can change the fact that KD is nipping at his heals. The kid is avg more points, more blocks, shooting a 50/40/90, and essentially rebounds at the same rate, and his team wins at a high rate. Their games look different, but it doesn't mean theyre doing something different. 2+2 will always equal 4. Stop arguing with hard numbers in the name of style. Appreciate the substance for once.

 

[Reggie]

Have you seen the videos of their workouts? Most of that stuff is just strength & conditioning

Whose to say everything they do together is on video? With their egos would they allow a one on one encounter to be taped for it to be possibly be leaked if one lost bad enough?

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

My nikka Bron got the MVP locked up before the ASG.

 

[Roadie pipeher]

This is the perfect example of how perception shapes reality. You gave KD his props as only being a better shooter and said Bron slash and drives better....yet KD has more dunks than Bron does despite all those highlight fast breaks that Bron gets. That would suggests that KD attacks the rim just as good as Bron. Keep hanging your hat on KD just being a shooter. A measley .7 separate them in rebound avg...but he's just a shooter?? And stop copping pleas about Bron block numbers. He's not blocking shots cause he doesn't want to??? Yeah ok.

And yes Bron came down and hit a shot to put out the fire...doesn't take away from the 22 him and the Heat ate in the 4th though. Y'all act like any praise of another player somehow equates to crapping on Bron. Nothing you can say can change the fact that KD is nipping at his heals. The kid is avg more points, more blocks, shooting a 50/40/90, and essentially rebounds at the same rate, and his team wins at a high rate. Their games look different, but it doesn't mean theyre doing something different. 2+2 will always equal 4. Stop arguing with hard numbers in the name of style. Appreciate the substance for once.

for all the typing you are doing you have neglected to mention how lebrons defense absolutely shyts on kd's so no KD is not yet there

 

[Champ_KW]

for all the typing you are doing you have neglected to mention how lebrons defense absolutely shyts on kd's so no KD is not yet there

Let me guess. ..forget the blocks and steals and focus on what? KD avg 30 on 50% shooting in the Finals, Paul Pierce and Bron have been in multiple shoot outs in the playoffs, and Dirk got busy in the Finals as well. Outside of you just suggesting cause of Bron size and speed he has potential to guard different spots well...but when has he really done it?? He's a good defender, but tell me something concrete other than inuendo about why his defense shyts on KD? Go the sabermetric route and come up with opposing players PER against him or something! Otherwise, take the block and steals stats for what its worth and get off your knees.

 

[Primetime21]

Whose to say everything they do together is on video? With their egos would they allow a one on one encounter to be taped for it to be possibly be leaked if one lost bad enough?

Kevin Durant scored 40 points yesterday and averaged 28 in the Finals. LeBron isnt a CIA agent, he doesnt have Durant's secrets, he's just a better player.

 

[Draje]

This is the perfect example of how perception shapes reality. You gave KD his props as only being a better shooter and said Bron slash and drives better....yet KD has more dunks than Bron does despite all those highlight fast breaks that Bron gets. That would suggests that KD attacks the rim just as good as Bron. Keep hanging your hat on KD just being a shooter. A measley .7 separate them in rebound avg...but he's just a shooter?? And stop copping pleas about Bron block numbers. He's not blocking shots cause he doesn't want to??? Yeah ok.

And yes Bron came down and hit a shot to put out the fire...doesn't take away from the 22 him and the Heat ate in the 4th though. Y'all act like any praise of another player somehow equates to crapping on Bron. Nothing you can say can change the fact that KD is nipping at his heals. The kid is avg more points, more blocks, shooting a 50/40/90, and essentially rebounds at the same rate, and his team wins at a high rate. Their games look different, but it doesn't mean theyre doing something different. 2+2 will always equal 4. Stop arguing with hard numbers in the name of style. Appreciate the substance for once.

How 'bout the Bron's a much better finisher because he averages a higher amount of shots at the rim, makes shots at higher percentage at the tk
, and is assisted less on his shots at the rim?

You realize that Durant scores more because he has Westbrook as his passer, right? Durant is assisted on FAR more of his shots than Lebron because he's not the ball handler or playmaker Bron is.

Defense isn't eve debatable and blocks / steals are one of the worst ways to judge defense because being able to block shots doesn't mean much. LeBron is a perrenial defensive player of the year candidate because he's the Heat's defensive anchor. Durant is not. Durant doesn't have Lebron's defensive awareness or versatility.

Rebounding isn't as big of a difference but Lebron is still better.

And where's the mention of playmaking, passing, the fact that Durabt handles the ball far less and assists are a lesser rate but stoll averages more turnovers?

Anything else?

 

[Champ_KW]

How 'bout the Bron's a much better finisher because he averages a higher amount of shots at the rim, makes shots at higher percentage at the tk
, and is assisted less on his shots at the rim?

You realize that Durant scores more because he has Westbrook as his passer, right? Durant is assisted on FAR more of his shots than Lebron because he's not the ball handler or playmaker Bron is.

Defense isn't eve debatable and blocks / steals are one of the worst ways to judge defense because being able to block shots doesn't mean much. LeBron is a perrenial defensive player of the year candidate because he's the Heat's defensive anchor. Durant is not. Durant doesn't have Lebron's defensive awareness or versatility.

Rebounding isn't as big of a difference but Lebron is still better.

And where's the mention of playmaking, passing, the fact that Durabt handles the ball far less and assists are a lesser rate but stoll averages more turnovers?

Anything else?

OKC runs the most iso sets in the league! Durant scores more because he has Sabo as his passer?!?! Come on man...a stat that is one of the corner stones of evaluating players (blocks) now means nothing cause Bron isn't besting KD in those numbers. But you turn around and hang your hat on the stat of turnovers when that's the subjective stat there is. If KD drops Perk a dime and he mishandles it and it flys right thru his hands...who gets the credit for that turnover?? Lets keep propping up Bron as the Heat defensive anchor and ignore the fact that OKC PER is better with KD on the floor than MIA is with Bron on the floor. I've said it before, Bron is the man right now. But to act like he has no peer in the league is somewhat a stretch cause KD is nipping at his heels. No shade in that...just fact.

 

[OGmittee]

all i see is a bunch of stats whores in this thread. Lebron proved why he's the best player this year on the nba. I believe that KD is next in line. But he's no match to Lebron at the moment. It is what it is.

anyone who saw that game wouldnt even be trying to counter the OP

its obvious they didnt even watch...its pointless to even talk basketball with the ppl who dont see whats happening in the games

 

[Gotright]

This is the perfect example of how perception shapes reality. You gave KD his props as only being a better shooter and said Bron slash and drives better....yet KD has more dunks than Bron does despite all those highlight fast breaks that Bron gets. That would suggests that KD attacks the rim just as good as Bron. Keep hanging your hat on KD just being a shooter. A measley .7 separate them in rebound avg...but he's just a shooter?? And stop copping pleas about Bron block numbers. He's not blocking shots cause he doesn't want to??? Yeah ok.

And yes Bron came down and hit a shot to put out the fire...doesn't take away from the 22 him and the Heat ate in the 4th though. Y'all act like any praise of another player somehow equates to crapping on Bron. Nothing you can say can change the fact that KD is nipping at his heals. The kid is avg more points, more blocks, shooting a 50/40/90, and essentially rebounds at the same rate, and his team wins at a high rate. Their games look different, but it doesn't mean theyre doing something different. 2+2 will always equal 4. Stop arguing with hard numbers in the name of style. Appreciate the substance for once.

bron is on a whole another level then everybody in the nba kd is not nipping on his heals.yes he is the second best but he still far away

 

[Draje]

OKC runs the most iso sets in the league! Durant scores more because he has Sabo as his passer?!?! Come on man...a stat that is one of the corner stones of evaluating players (blocks) now means nothing cause Bron isn't besting KD in those numbers. But you turn around and hang your hat on the stat of turnovers when that's the subjective stat there is. If KD drops Perk a dime and he mishandles it and it flys right thru his hands...who gets the credit for that turnover?? Lets keep propping up Bron as the Heat defensive anchor and ignore the fact that OKC PER is better with KD on the floor than MIA is with Bron on the floor. I've said it before, Bron is the man right now. But to act like he has no peer in the league is somewhat a stretch cause KD is nipping at his heels. No shade in that...just fact.

It doesn't matter. The stats show that, at the rim, Lebron takes more shots and scores at a better percentage than Durant while being assisted far less.

Hoopdata Player Stats - LeBron James
Hoopdata Player Stats - Kevin Durant

Read the stats, shut up, and stop talking about things you're wrong about.

Turnovers are far less subjective especially when combined with AT ratio and so forth. LeBron averages MORE ASSISTS AND LESS TO WHILE BEING A PRIMARY PLAYMAKER AND BSLLHANDLER FOR HIS TEAM. Durant handles the ball less and still Turnoves more. Go look at the percentages in the proof I provided for you.

And again, steals and blocks don't properly measure a player's defense impact. Ibaka had more blocks than Duncan last year but Duncan is far better at dealing with rotations, contesting shots, bites on pump fakes, etc.

If you're jumping for every block and gambling for steals all the time, you might have high numbers but it comes at the cost of putting yourself out of position or allowing your man to get open. Not only that, Durant rarely guards the toughest defensive assignments on the other team while Lebron does so more often.

Tough perimeter player? Westbrook and Sefalosha. Tough interior? Ibaka.

Again, Durant is a better shooter while Lebron is just as good at scoring while being superior in every other aspect of basketball.

 

[ManBearPig]

Let's be fair, Bosh was fully healed come the Finals.

And Westbrook is more athletic, stronger, and harder to guard than Wade but he isn't better. Wade is still a smarter player, a more willing passer, has a better post game, and a better second option simply due to his brains.

Bosh is also a better 3rd option than Harden because Bosh brings valuable spacing, is ungodly reliable from mid-range, and brings more spacing than Harden due to his spacing ability. Harden is fairly ball dominant and an a average defender so he simply can't effect the game, as a 3rd option, like Bosh could who's mere presence on the floor makes Lebron and Wade more dangerous.

yep 13ppg and not being able to play in the Olympics is a sign of being "fully healed"

i swear I can't argue with these idiots.

 

[Draje]

yep 13ppg and not being able to play in the Olympics is a sign of being "fully healed"

i swear I can't argue with these idiots.

You right. I thought he sat out of the Olympics to be sure that there were no lingering problems and Wade sat out because he needed actual surgery on top of getting his knee drained.

 

[Champ_KW]

It doesn't matter. The stats show that, at the rim, Lebron takes more shots and scores at a better percentage than Durant while being assisted far less.

Hoopdata Player Stats - LeBron James
Hoopdata Player Stats - Kevin Durant

Read the stats, shut up, and stop talking about things you're wrong about.

Turnovers are far less subjective especially when combined with AT ratio and so forth. LeBron averages MORE ASSISTS AND LESS TO WHILE BEING A PRIMARY PLAYMAKER AND BSLLHANDLER FOR HIS TEAM. Durant handles the ball less and still Turnoves more. Go look at the percentages in the proof I provided for you.

And again, steals and blocks don't properly measure a player's defense impact. Ibaka had more blocks than Duncan last year but Duncan is far better at dealing with rotations, contesting shots, bites on pump fakes, etc.

If you're jumping for every block and gambling for steals all the time, you might have high numbers but it comes at the cost of putting yourself out of position or allowing your man to get open. Not only that, Durant rarely guards the toughest defensive assignments on the other team while Lebron does so more often.

Tough perimeter player? Westbrook and Sefalosha. Tough interior? Ibaka.

Again, Durant is a better shooter while Lebron is just as good at scoring while being superior in every other aspect of basketball.

....you're arguing just to argue. I stated Bron was the man and KD was nipping at his heels. And you come in here with stats separating them by 5%?? The whole premise of this thread was that somehow KD was no longer a legit MVP candidate. Again why are you cats so insecure about realizing that a 24 kid is practically keeping pace with your gawd across the board? You're a walking contradiction. When its Bron with better stats..."read the stats and shut up"....when its KD with better stats..."it don't mean nothing cause it don't take into account how many times he went for a pump fake". You clowns are so transparent and wack. Be a fan of basketball and not just basketball players. Bron is the man, yet its too early in the season to go along with the OP premise given KD is right there with him in terms of stats and team success. What's so hard to admit that?