Ukbrotha
Superstar
That was a really good discussion between the 2.
Killer Mike Vs DJ Envy
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Me too. Hell I went to Westminster in Atlanta but I also went to Wooddale in Memphis. There's merit in each of their opinions but Envy a clown and not the nikka you want trying to champion the private school conversation.
xoxodede
Superstar
It really depends on where you live. Atlanta and D.C. doesn't really represent most of Black America. And I say that as someone who lives in Atlanta. Its black people from all over - yes - historically black - but the blacks coming/moving to the city- have no ties - so they dont send their children to those schools.
They brought and are bringing the same anti-blackness they had before they moved to Atlanta with them. And D.C. is greatly mixed with black people from all over the world.
I'm talking about Detriot, Flint, Chicago, Clevland, Dayton, Cincinnati, places in the deep south- where they either have no other choice or directly choose to be in black neighborhoods. Where black America is rooted.
Many black Americans do live in Black areas - even middle class ones - and if they are not directly in one - they are right outside of one - and still have members or their families there - and have a connection to the area - and want what's best.
King Harlem
Superstar
Team Envy on this subject. And I'm not pro private school, I just believe that as a parent you have to decide what's right for your child. I disagree with Killer Mike, not because he's pro public school but because he's anti private school. It's fine for him to believe that public school is best for his children but to look down on others for feeling otherwise isn't cool.
xoxodede
Superstar
I agree with him probably never really being connected to a black community in America. But that doesn't have much to do with his being an immigrant.
@Igq3metamela (I don't know his name) is part of AA gang and he never lived in a black community or neighborhood.
Even his description of how he grew up in the DMV was in one of the whitest most wealthiest areas in America.
Which is Why he moved to Canada With his White babymoms and her family.
Point being not all AA have a connection to a black community. I know several AAs who moved to white areas soon as they got some bread.
At my my corporate job there are several AADos who did not grow up in black neighborhoods.
I totally agree that not all AA have ties to the black community- and that is really the issue.
It's not their fault - but them continuing to believe the negative narrative of being and living in a black community -- and not spending anytime in one to get to know the pros of one -- - yet speaking on and judging the issues the black community ---- comes off as anti-black and uninformed.
I went to public schools all my life and Im grateful for the experience of being able to be around my people and pick up some aspects of "street smart" from kids kids who were hood.However the school I went to was a city wide school which had too many students in a class and for some of my classes where the teachers had trouble gaining the attention of the students it was hard to focus on what the teacher was trying to teach.Luckily I took a few AP where the students were more focused and the teachers made the coursework challenging and interesting.
Darth Bane
Rookie
Envy is so corny. Just like that time he tried to act fake tough with Desus and Mero. He got in his feelings about some shyt HE did and they even offered up an apology and he wanted one on air and got charged up. Then when Mero asked him if he wanted to take 5 Envy ran out of his own show. Dude is a chump.
GoldCoastSaint
Yall nikkas hate everything but Tariq Nasheed
I always end up having this type of disagreement with people when I share intent to send my daughter to private school. Its like people get offended cause you dont want your kid in certain environments all day. I went to an excellent all-Black (and I mean 100% Black) private Catholic school in the hood, not far from where I lived. The school was in dire need of funds but the students still excelled.
All my day one crew went to HS with me or around me, and not a single one of them send their kids to public school.
Sometimes I think people say things that sounds good for social media & daps, but in true application, rarely would apply it.
I like the concept that Mike spoke about in terms of parents pooling money together to create their own schools, but I would've pushed back on that heavy - I can't imagine someone or some Umar Johnson cats asking my parents to donate or fund our own schools, even if it was $75 a month
There was a time period I wore cleats to school because we couldn't afford real shoes. Real talk no cap.
A lot of my brothers ended up playing pro sports, so now are able to provide amazing opportunities for their own mini-me's. I don't have my own, but I damn sure am not sending my child to the same school I went to, to get shot at, jumped, and all the other sh*t that went down in my HS, which was more like a survival center than a school - where the teachers used to leave the classroom for hours on end, let us watch TV talk shows, and smash students. That's just the real - you walk into the highly rated private schools and they look like elite institutions and they have the child doing incredible experiences.
Now, we do talk alot about how to keep your kid grounded and BLACK, but everyone has a different path - but, it is a major topic of convo, being as though none of my brothers are "c00ns", so they still take them around the old neighborhoods, or barbershops etc, but they are not dropping their child off at our old HS or any of the one's where I am from, because that would be CRAZY.
Idealism I feel can change the world while also being a detriment to ACTUALLY moving forward. Stop arguing with me and tell me a realistic way you see this getting done, that what I want from "leaders".
Sometimes I think people say things that sounds good for social media & daps, but in true application, rarely would apply it.
I like the concept that Mike spoke about in terms of parents pooling money together to create their own schools, but I would've pushed back on that heavy - I can't imagine someone or some Umar Johnson cats asking my parents to donate or fund our own schools, even if it was $75 a month
There was a time period I wore cleats to school because we couldn't afford real shoes. Real talk no cap.
A lot of my brothers ended up playing pro sports, so now are able to provide amazing opportunities for their own mini-me's. I don't have my own, but I damn sure am not sending my child to the same school I went to, to get shot at, jumped, and all the other sh*t that went down in my HS, which was more like a survival center than a school - where the teachers used to leave the classroom for hours on end, let us watch TV talk shows, and smash students. That's just the real - you walk into the highly rated private schools and they look like elite institutions and they have the child doing incredible experiences.
Now, we do talk alot about how to keep your kid grounded and BLACK, but everyone has a different path - but, it is a major topic of convo, being as though none of my brothers are "c00ns", so they still take them around the old neighborhoods, or barbershops etc, but they are not dropping their child off at our old HS or any of the one's where I am from, because that would be CRAZY.
Idealism I feel can change the world while also being a detriment to ACTUALLY moving forward. Stop arguing with me and tell me a realistic way you see this getting done, that what I want from "leaders".
Ehhh idk about that. The areas in ATL that are historically black arent being filled with non AADOS black transplants, only people moving in are whites. Non AADOS blacks have always mainly beem in the burbs.
I think there are benefits to both, and the answer depends on the child. So, it's up to the parent to actut know their child, and put them in the environment that works best for them.
I went to public schools, and had the opportunity to go to a private school, and turned it down when my father asked me what I wanted to do. He stood by my decision after we talked about it, because I was able to vocalize my issues.
So going to a private school, I learned the crucial lesson that you can't fully depend on someone else to teach you everything you want to know. You have to EARN knowledge, as opposed to waiting for it to be handed to you. That same lesson applied to a lot of other aspects of life. I feel like if I'd have gone to a private school, everything I wanted would've been easily available, and made me lazy.
I went to public schools, and had the opportunity to go to a private school, and turned it down when my father asked me what I wanted to do. He stood by my decision after we talked about it, because I was able to vocalize my issues.
So going to a private school, I learned the crucial lesson that you can't fully depend on someone else to teach you everything you want to know. You have to EARN knowledge, as opposed to waiting for it to be handed to you. That same lesson applied to a lot of other aspects of life. I feel like if I'd have gone to a private school, everything I wanted would've been easily available, and made me lazy.
xoxodede
Superstar
What are you trying to say?
I am saying that AADOS transplants that come here for the HBCU's or jobs -- have no ties to historical Atlanta Black communities - in Fulton, Dekalb or other --- therefore they don't send their children to Black schools in those areas.
Because of that -- whites are moving in to traditional Black communities -- and kicking/pushing Blacks who have always lived there out.
Look at East Atlanta. Black people have been out-priced of that area -- so I am sure the schools will now be built back up and now those same Blacks who didn't want their kids to go to the schools then -- now are open to them going.
Rockstar Mom
PhatGurlSwag
I went to a predominately black private school from 1st to 8th grade. And then a public school for high school.
My kids are in public now, and I’m thinking of sending them to private for high school. I think doing both make you well rounded, and exposes you to both “sides”.
My kids are in public now, and I’m thinking of sending them to private for high school. I think doing both make you well rounded, and exposes you to both “sides”.
I'll agree with you that I don't hold deep ties to anywhere i've lived as i've lived all over the US (and I tend to move around alot), but you like to paint this narrative that immigrants don't live around native black people which is... weird to say the least.
When I first came to America I lived in DC, then later Maryland, then later Charlotte. I dont think I interacted with my first white person till I was 8 or 9. No white people lived anywhere near where I did growing up.
I'm not sure where you grew up but its not uncommon for a black community to have black immigrants in it, especially in DC.
People have this belief that black immigrants come to US with a ton a money and go build a home in the suburbs.
Reality is, most black immigrants come to US and live right alongside other black people.