Kings trade Haliburton, Hield, Kardashian to Indy for Sabonis + more

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I disagree. I watch a lot of Pacers games and his play fell off significantly after his injury last year, to the point many of us wondered if he was still injured.
The Pacers are having a nice playoff run, but Tyrese averaged 18 points and 9 assists this year. And its not just stats, he isn't playing a well as he was before his injury.

Also want to point out that the Pacers and the Kings basically had the same record last year (1 win difference). And the year before that the Kings won 48 games and the Pacers only won 35.

Haliburton is an inconsistent player, even at the best of times, which was only exacerbated by his injury, and it's largely the reason why he's not in top-10 conversations, which is why it's all the more strange why he's considered the most overrated because the players who're being rated by the masses are typically those who occupy those type of discussions.

That's not to say players who exist outside of that frame can't be overrated, but they're considerably less likely to be so. He was called overrated so much that it ended up making him underrated. And if you actually see the accompanying comments to him being overrated they're more about his personality and his unorthodox shot than they are actually about the effectiveness of his game.

I'm not sure what there is to disagree about as it relates to him vs. Sabonis.

Sabonis is soft, he recoils at the first sign of anyone being physical with him, he can't hit a shot outside of 16ft, he doesn't venture outside of his own skillset to makes things happen out of nothing and he's completely ineffective on defense in nearly every capacity. Those are the worst attributes you can have as a big man, especially in today's game where traditional bigs are marginalized more than ever.

You can not build a winning team with someone like that who's afraid of their own shadow.

Whereas someone like Halburton may not have an array of moves/counters like Brunson, he maximizes his limited skillset to its limit and it's why he can have more impact than someone who's more skilled than he is. He's never afraid of the moment, he's always looking to take advantage of mismatches, he's always looking to keep his teammates engaged, he's always making quick decisions which doesn't allow the defense to get into any sort of a rhythm and most importantly, he's one of the best PnR creators in every situation, in recent history (he's the main reason why the Pacers' offense flows as fluidly as it does).

It's the reason why he's led a historic amount of comebacks in the clutch this season and where Sabonis' first inclination is to shy away from those moments.

The Pacers' identity of snatching victory from the jaws of defeat is because of his approach to the game. That's something you're not going to find looking at box score stats.

 

[The God Poster]

lol 3yrs ago

He was very overrated at that time he’s developed & gotten better. Should be applauded for it

 

[The God Poster]

@The poster should've checked himself once he saw he was on the same side as jinxing ass @Squirrel The Wrong Man.

Back to your old gimmick of upping threads/posts lol

You sure know how to hide when called out specifically after being wrong. You got it tho

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Back to your old gimmick of upping threads/posts lol

You sure know how to hide when called out specifically after being wrong. You got it tho

Someone else bumped your post, I was just making an observation of it.



You always vaguely try to point out how I hide when I’m wrong and yet you never have any evidence of this. Perhaps instead of deflecting you could keep all your energy for the poster that actually bumped your post.

 

[GoldenGlove]

I knew this was going to happen.
Haliburton is going to get vastly overrated because he's the best player on this Pacers team. The Pacers play in weak Eastern conference, while the Kings play in a loaded Western conference.
Haliburton has played slightly better than Sabonis since the trade, slightly.
Also, the key to postseason success in the NBA now is depth and health. The Pacers (and OKC) have deep playoff rosters and have been able to get through the playoffs relatively healthy.

He's been clutching up and people are seeing that on the highest stage.

 

[The God Poster]

Someone else bumped your post, I was just making an observation of it.



You always vaguely try to point out how I hide when I’m wrong and yet you never have any evidence of this. Perhaps instead of deflecting you could keep all your energy for the poster that actually bumped your post.

I responded to that poster tho….directly

You playing dumb when the proof is in multiple threads. lol I’d tag posters but then you’d still complain

Accountability isn’t your strong point

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I responded to that poster tho….directly

You playing dumb when the proof is in multiple threads. lol I’d tag posters but then you’d still complain

Accountability isn’t your strong point

I have no problem being accountable for what I post, whatsoever, the problem is, it's easy to tell when someone is being genuine and when they're not. If someone is fighting dirty, why should there be any expectation to admit to anything if they're endlessly moving the goalposts and twisting the argument until it suits them?

I don't know why I need to keep repeating this to you.

Case in point - Draymond.

You've made an abundant amount of posts on how this board judges him differently and fails to acknowledge what he's accomplished in the game, so after an entire decade of proving all these cats wrong, why do you think whatever argument they think they've won should be acknowledged, when they've failed to do exactly that since 2015?

Furthermore, you need to stop being so sensitive as if I was taking a shot at you, when I was quite obviously clowning that other rockhead. I laughed at your joke the other day when you tagged me, but now you getting all up in your feelings when I did the same.

 

[King Harlem]

He's been clutching up and people are seeing that on the highest stage.

You're right. He actually had a really good 2nd half of the regular season, and he's played great this post season.
My point is more about the trade. Even in retrospect, it was a pretty even trade. It's the other roster construction and coaching decisions that has benefited the Pacers and doomed the Kings (not this trade).

 

[LV Koopa]

Haliburton was playing elite before his injury last year. He hasn't played to quite that level since. He's been very good at points but there's a reason why his peers voted him the most overrated player in the league this year.

It was literally just like 9 dudes out of the entire league

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

In hindsight, Kings weren’t wrong to trade for Sabonis

Just should’ve picked Fox instead

If I remember correctly, the Pacers didn't want Fox as that trade was during one of his down years.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

If I remember correctly, the Pacers didn't want Fox as that trade was during one of his down years.

Fox was already on his extension and the Pacers owner wants to stay out the luxury tax

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Fox was already on his extension and the Pacers owner wants to stay out the luxury tax

They weren't even close to the luxury tax at the time though as that Pacers roster was chalked full of cheap contracts including Sabonis and Turner themselves.

Pritchard just didn't like Fox like that and felt that Haliburton had the higher ceiling especially since he made it clear that's what he was looking for when he shyt on Sabonis and that roster at the time.

 

[No1]

They weren't even close to the luxury tax at the time though as that Pacers roster was chalked full of cheap contracts including Sabonis and Turner themselves.

Pritchard just didn't like Fox like that and felt that Haliburton had the higher ceiling especially since he made it clear that's what he was looking for when he shyt on Sabonis and that roster at the time.

The Pacers traded for the younger player with all star talent to go with a young team. It’s not much more serious than that. The funny thing is that the Kings wanted Siakim and he said no. If he says yes, then that changes the entire trajectory of both franchises. Siakim would’ve been enough for them to not be in the play in last year and probably push for 50 wins.

And Fox was only playing poorly that year when they moved him off ball to compliment Hali. They each thrived without the other.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Another prime co-sign by the ultimate casual @Gil Scott-Heroin Now he’s going to act like he doesn’t like him

He was a fake wannabe All-Star then and he’s not even close being a real All-Star now. He was the product of inflated pace, or “rat ball” as his coach Rick Carlisle used to say about other teams. He was never as good as those inflated stats.

 

[ALonelyDad]

It's not even about trading Hali, but you lose Fox eventually too. I would have made Fox sign a 360 deal that he would never be able to leave Sacramento, even for a vacation during summer time