KKK formed because Black Economic power was rising up "too quickly" after Slavery

[Voice of Reason]

No offense but as an adult you should know this. The government let a terrorist organization run wild on black people.

 

[UpAndComing]

i though this was known already

No offense but as an adult you should know this. The government let a terrorist organization run wild on black people.

Ya'll are focusing on the name of the thread, instead of the content that is in the thread

 

[EndDomination]

Facts

All black people should be aware of the period directly after the civil war called reconstruction


A whole bunch of fukk shyt happened in that time period

Iirc that's when labor unions were created so that white people could present a unified front to employers because the newly freed slaves were out competing them in both skilled and unskilled labor

These are competing timelines and you're 100% misrepresenting the labor movement, especially Black people's role in it.
The anarchists and socialists that had started establishing communities in the United States had been advocating for a form of collective action throughout the mid to late 1800s, in conjunction with the abolitionist policy. The exploitation of White urbanites was reaching a peak brutality, and the formation of unions in their early days were completely devoid of ethnic or racial composition. It wasn't until increased migration squeezed the labour populations and incoming populations could be exploited for much lower pay that unions took on an anti-ethnic policy; mixed with their anti-EE/anti-Latino, was anti-Black policy.

Reconstruction and Redemption are incredibly important, and context is important.
There were numerous Black Congresspeople during this time.

It started with the Compromise of 1877. All Black people, especially the “get out and vote!” crowd need to understand how the government held up the presidential election and then used the electoral college to steal that election after the deal was made to remove the federal troops that had been protecting southern Blacks in the south. That’s when the kkk and other white nationalist groups really began to rise throughout the south.

Electoral College was an earlier compromise to appease the slave states, empowering the use of the Black populations for more power without representation (funny enough that was a big part of the "American Revolution.")
And the KKK proliferated.

Unions were created because whites were scared to compete with us

This isn't quite correct, see above.

Because it turns the whole Integration story upside on its head

That black people "downtrodden and powerless" and "just accepted being in bondage"
Which was untrue from the constant slave revolts, and the huge number of Black people BEFORE slavery ended who had thriving business and ownership

Makes the "Lincoln saved us" with the Emancipation Proclamation as a total lie. Black people forced the Proclamation, US did it to capitalize on the Black Economic power structure. We were better in Segregation. Whites used integration to dilute Black economic resources

This is not correct. The conditions for the vast majority of the Black population was absolutely brutal, the Black Elite is not representative of the whole, and segregation did everything from destroy Black education, to access to basic resources, to the markets that Black people were able to access.
Had the move to integration and gain complete civil rights not been repeatedly undermined, the entire situation would be vastly different.

But this "we were better under segregation" nonsense is such complete and utter horse-shyt, I truly am tired of hearing about it.

 

[HellRell804]

These are competing timelines and you're 100% misrepresenting the labor movement, especially Black people's role in it.
The anarchists and socialists that had started establishing communities in the United States had been advocating for a form of collective action throughout the mid to late 1800s, in conjunction with the abolitionist policy. The exploitation of White urbanites was reaching a peak brutality, and the formation of unions in their early days were completely devoid of ethnic or racial composition. It wasn't until increased migration squeezed the labour populations and incoming populations could be exploited for much lower pay that unions took on an anti-ethnic policy; mixed with their anti-EE/anti-Latino, was anti-Black policy.

Reconstruction and Redemption are incredibly important, and context is important.
There were numerous Black Congresspeople during this time.


Electoral College was an earlier compromise to appease the slave states, empowering the use of the Black populations for more power without representation (funny enough that was a big part of the "American Revolution.")
And the KKK proliferated.

This isn't quite correct, see above.

This is not correct. The conditions for the vast majority of the Black population was absolutely brutal, the Black Elite is not representative of the whole, and segregation did everything from destroy Black education, to access to basic resources, to the markets that Black people were able to access.
Had the move to integration and gain complete civil rights not been repeatedly undermined, the entire situation would be vastly different.

But this "we were better under segregation" nonsense is such complete and utter horse-shyt, I truly am tired of hearing about it.

But the only thing you cited were your feelings. I dont care who you are or where you're from, having a 2 parent, 2 income family will put your kids in a better position to succeed. And when black people fell to the ideologies and patterns of the people claiming to "free" them, the community took a downslide.

There was no other way to realistically compete with a group of people so obviously more resilient, talented, and naturally intelligent.

U focus on the people who were doing bad, but those people are still doing bad. Integration didnt stop suckers from existing, and nothing ever will stop them from existing.

To quote PT Barnum a sucker is born every minute. To handicap a whole group of people because you're scared of what will happen to the least of them is madness

 

[EndDomination]

But the only thing you cited were your feelings. I dont care who you are or where you're from, having a 2 parent, 2 income family will put your kids in a better position to succeed. And when black people fell to the ideologies and patterns of the people claiming to "free" them, the community took a downslide.

There was no other way to realistically compete with a group of people so obviously more resilient, talented, and naturally intelligent.

U focus on the people who were doing bad, but those people are still doing bad. Integration didnt stop suckers from existing, and nothing ever will stop them from existing.

To quote PT Barnum a sucker is born every minute. To handicap a whole group of people because you're scared of what will happen to the least of them is madness

What exactly are you arguing?
We weren't better under segregation, our community was on a downslide the moment we were enslaved and brought to this country.

 

[HellRell804]

What exactly are you arguing?
We weren't better under segregation, our community was on a downslide the moment we were enslaved and brought to this country.

Once again, you fetishize involvement with white people.

Like the op said, no we didn't have everything white people had but we were quickly rising. Who knows what happens with another couple of decades of in tact black families working together.

Integration shortcut that development, but the cost was giving up access to our children. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, we see what a couple of decades of miseducation has done.

 

[futureDevelopment]

But the only thing you cited were your feelings. I dont care who you are or where you're from, having a 2 parent, 2 income family will put your kids in a better position to succeed.

If you can't achieve a 2 parent family because "integration", I don't know what to tell you... Other groups have integration too, and they manage.

The problem isn't integration. It's way more subtle and complex than that. Integration isn't even a factor. Correlation isn't causation.

And if forced segregation is the only way for us to thrive, whose success is it really?

ps - always double-check your position if you find yourself on the same page as white supremacists...

 

[futureDevelopment]

Integration shortcut that development, but the cost was giving up access to our children. Hindsight being 20/20 and all, we see what a couple of decades of miseducation has done.

How so? Options don't usually short your development. Lack of options do.

It's like having a choice of two cars, but you and your wife are out in the rain arguing over which car to take. The problem isn't that you have two cars, it's something else...

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

What often gets lost in this discussion is the simple fact that the 'Klan' was actually started as a joke. Basically, a bunch of Civil War vets got together and formed a fraternity to 'fukk with ******s'. There were no overtones of political/social/financial oppression at that time. They just had nothing better to do aside from drink themselves into a stupor and go out turning their prejudices into terrorism

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/kkk-founded​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

No offense but as an adult you should know this. The government let a terrorist organization run wild on black people.

Black people weren't considered a part of American society until 1965 and the Government didn't let them 'run wild' on our ancestors......the Government was controlled by the Klan. By 1920, there were about 2-3 million registered Klan members in the United States. The Klan's power was so great, an endorsement by them would assure a government position up to and including the President of the United States. They even had control of a whole state......

Indiana Klan - Wikipedia​

 

[Breh13]

Shouldn't be surprising. Cacs have been doing fukkery every single day. Then they create propaganda that we're lazy and low IQ.

Absolutely demonic.

 

[Geode]

A big part of economic empowerment is land ownership. It angers me to hear about the stories of land being stolen from black people over the century or black people being run off their land. And these are only the stories that I know about. There's probably tens of thousands more. Imagine all the wealth that has been lost because of this.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

A big part of economic empowerment is land ownership. It angers me to hear about the stories of land being stolen from black people over the century or black people being run off their land. And these are only the stories that I know about. There's probably tens of thousands more. Imagine all the wealth that has been lost because of this.

Then don't read this........

Seneca Village - Wikipedia
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As the campaign to create Central Park moved forward park advocates and the media began to describe Seneca Village and other communities in this area as "shantytowns" and the residents there as "squatters" and "vagabonds and soundrels". All of the inhabitants of the village were evicted by 1857, and the village was razed. Residents were offered $2,335 for their property. Members of the community fought to retain their land. For two years, residents resisted the police as they petitioned the courts to save their homes, churches, and schools. Some Villagers were violently evicted in 1855. However, in the summer of 1856, Mayor Fernando Wood(D) prevailed, and residents of Seneca Village were given final notice. In 1857, the city government acquired all private property within Seneca Village through eminent domain. On October 1, 1857, city officials in New York reported that the last holdouts living on land that was to become Central Park had been removed.

A newspaper account at the time suggested that Seneca Village would “not be forgotten…[as] many a brilliant and stirring fight was had during the campaign. But the supremacy of the law was upheld by the policeman’s bludgeons.” There are few records of where residents went after their eviction and the community was destroyed.

As workers were uprooting trees at the new entrance of Central Park in 1871, on the corner of 85th Street and 8th Avenue, they came upon two coffins, both containing Black people from Seneca Village.

..................I HATE 'White' people.​

 

[HellRell804]

If you can't achieve a 2 parent family because "integration", I don't know what to tell you... Other groups have integration too, and they manage.

The problem isn't integration. It's way more subtle and complex than that. Integration isn't even a factor. Correlation isn't causation.

And if forced segregation is the only way for us to thrive, whose success is it really?

ps - always double-check your position if you find yourself on the same page as white supremacists...

Other groups didn't integrate into a position where different groups held all the positions of power, made most of the decisions, and controlled the education of children.

And of course you try to call me a white supremacist, but you're the one arguing that we literally need white acceptance to survive and success isnt worth having without it.

You don't have to call me names. If you think the white man's ice is colder you're entitled to that opinion. I just respectfully disagree.

 

[futureDevelopment]

Other groups didn't integrate into a position where different groups held all the positions of power, made most of the decisions, and controlled the education of children.

And of course you try to call me a white supremacist, but you're the one arguing that we literally need white acceptance to survive and success isnt worth having without it.

You don't have to call me names. If you think the white man's ice is colder you're entitled to that opinion. I just respectfully disagree.

But I didn’t call you anything.

And obviously other groups are having heir kids educated in our common educational system, in a society where “others” are in a position of power.

And obviously, I made zero mention of “white acceptance”, let alone “literally”.

You’re clearly arguing with someone in your clouded mind, not with anything I actually said.