“Kobe belongs in the GOAT conversation” - Dennis Rodman

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Mostly layups and dunks can make any player seem more efficient. What’s Bron shooting in the middy?

The main job of a basketball superstar is to impact the game by leading a franchise to chips. To be considered the goat a superstar has to dominate his peers in the era he plays.

With that said, Kobe > LeBron

Why would you shoot a middy at 43-6% when you can get layups at 50+?

This is a baffling argument
 

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Bron was better up close and from 3.

Kobe was better in the midrange.

Stylistically, Kobe was nicer to watch.....Bron was more efficient. Would I rather have a midrange assassin or a guy that's elite up close and can get to the bucket at will while also being better from deep? Matter of preference.

For rings....by that criteria, Russell is GOAT. Dominated his era and won 11x. After that it's KAJ/MJ and then Duncan/Magic/Kobe.


LOL Bron isn't "better" at 3, he's like half a percent above Kobe and that's just because of recent times with 3 point shooting being the trend.

Bron's best time as a 3 pt shooter has been during his Laker years where he's barely accomplishing shyt.

For most of bron's career, he wasn't a good 3pt shooter at all. Kobe is better than Bron from everywhere except under 3 feet.
 

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I mean a outburst or two doesnt mean much especially in a reg season game. Booker scored like 70 once iirc. Besides MJ scored 37 per in the 80s. What would that be adjusted to today?

MJ has more personal accolades, team accolades and much better stats in general. No real argument can be made on numbers so any has to be made on emotion (which is fine, for some reason nikkas hate to admit they operating off of their feelings).

I feel like Kobe is unfairly and not objectively judged as a player because you see a 6"6 guard vs. another 6"6 guard that played the same way and you start talking greasy. If I wanted to be disrespectful, I could say Magic Johnson is inferior to Jordan in every way imaginable, and using stats and accolades, I'd be in the right to say that but, none of yall nikkas ever get that disrespectful about Magic because you don't feel the same hate for him that you feel for Kobe.
 

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i think it is incredibly difficult to have an objective conversation about kobe, because of the circumstances surrounding his passing. to call out his very real shortcomings feels cruel and/or like kicking the man's legacy when he's not here to defend himself. but at the same time it feels like the reverence for kobe has gotten a lot more intense. passionate. unhinged.

IN MY OPINION... i do not think kobe is in the GOAT convo. for me there's a tier with jordan, lebron and kareem in a class of their own. whatever order you have them in, so be it, but kobe's career doesn't measure up. he would be in my next tier, and i wouldn't put him ahead of magic, or duncan or bird or russell or shaq either.

These two don't belong with #23, and I don't know why y'all keep repeating this like it's a law of the universe.
 

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thats a bold faced lie


Only reason he didn't run is because Buss didn't trade him and made him stay.
He was trying his best to leave LA after he ran everyone away.


STFU. Kobe had plenty of times to leave. Has LeBron stayed anywhere for 10+ years?

If LeBron was Kobe, he would've been gone by 2010, the moment he heard about "The Decision" and Superteams forming up :rudy:

And if not, he definitely would've been gone by 2013 :rudy:

Nov 25, 2013

Signed a 2 year $48 million contract extension with Los Angeles (LAL)

Apr 02, 2010

Signed a 3 year $83.5 million veteran extension with Los Angeles (LAL)

Jun 30, 2009

Exercised $24.8 million Player Option with Los Angeles (LAL) for 2010-2011

Jul 15, 2004

Signed a 7 year $136.4 million contract with Los Angeles (LAL)
 
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Bron was better up close and from 3.

Kobe was better in the midrange.

Stylistically, Kobe was nicer to watch.....Bron was more efficient. Would I rather have a midrange assassin or a guy that's elite up close and can get to the bucket at will while also being better from deep? Matter of preference.

For rings....by that criteria, Russell is GOAT. Dominated his era and won 11x. After that it's KAJ/MJ and then Duncan/Magic/Kobe.

I'd rather have the mid-range assassin. LeBron is more efficient at the rim (shooting 70% or so) than Kobe is (shooting 60% or so). In the mid-range Kobe is better...and we say this like the mid-range is a small place on the court. We've all been on a basketball court. The mid-range is everything between the three and the rim. That's a lot of space to be deficient at. Lebron hovers in the 30s percentage-wise in most places, whereas Kobe hovers in the 40% range.


Lebron knows he's not good at shooting so he goes in for dunks and layups where he is effective. But in the Playoffs, when defenses tighten up, that shyt didn't work. He lost to the Orlando Magic, with multiple games coming down to 1 or 2 points. If my guy could hit a jumper or hit a high percentage from the free throw, he probably could've won. Boston took away those dunks in 2010 too. LeBron averaged 32ppg, 7rbs, 6ast on 54% the first three games vs. Boston in 2010. The last three games of the series, he averaged 21ppg, 11rbs, 8ast on 34% :scusthov: because nobody is gonna allow someone to keep dunking. LeBron really just had two good games, one mid game, and the other three games he was horrible but, most Bron Stans will never do a deep dive on his numbers :manny:
 

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I mean a outburst or two doesnt mean much especially in a reg season game. Booker scored like 70 once iirc. Besides MJ scored 37 per in the 80s. What would that be adjusted to today?

MJ has more personal accolades, team accolades and much better stats in general. No real argument can be made on numbers so any has to be made on emotion (which is fine, for some reason nikkas hate to admit they operating off of their feelings).

lol @ comparing Books 70 to Kobe’s 81.

“An outburst or two”

Lol

You nikkas never followed this shyt.
 

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I'd rather have the mid-range assassin. LeBron is more efficient at the rim (shooting 70% or so) than Kobe is (shooting 60% or so). In the mid-range Kobe is better...and we say this like the mid-range is a small place on the court. We've all been on a basketball court. The mid-range is everything between the three and the rim. That's a lot of space to be deficient at. Lebron hovers in the 30s percentage-wise in most places, whereas Kobe hovers in the 40% range.


Lebron knows he's not good at shooting so he goes in for dunks and layups where he is effective. But in the Playoffs, when defenses tighten up, that shyt didn't work. He lost to the Orlando Magic, with multiple games coming down to 1 or 2 points. If my guy could hit a jumper or hit a high percentage from the free throw, he probably could've won. Boston took away those dunks in 2010 too. LeBron averaged 32ppg, 7rbs, 6ast on 54% the first three games vs. Boston in 2010. The last three games of the series, he averaged 21ppg, 11rbs, 8ast on 34% :scusthov: because nobody is gonna allow someone to keep dunking. LeBron really just had two good games, one mid game, and the other three games he was horrible but, most Bron Stans will never do a deep dive on his numbers :manny:


Actual basketball analysis :ohlawd:
 

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I'd rather have the mid-range assassin. LeBron is more efficient at the rim (shooting 70% or so) than Kobe is (shooting 60% or so). In the mid-range Kobe is better...and we say this like the mid-range is a small place on the court. We've all been on a basketball court. The mid-range is everything between the three and the rim. That's a lot of space to be deficient at. Lebron hovers in the 30s percentage-wise in most places, whereas Kobe hovers in the 40% range.


Lebron knows he's not good at shooting so he goes in for dunks and layups where he is effective. But in the Playoffs, when defenses tighten up, that shyt didn't work. He lost to the Orlando Magic, with multiple games coming down to 1 or 2 points. If my guy could hit a jumper or hit a high percentage from the free throw, he probably could've won. Boston took away those dunks in 2010 too. LeBron averaged 32ppg, 7rbs, 6ast on 54% the first three games vs. Boston in 2010. The last three games of the series, he averaged 21ppg, 11rbs, 8ast on 34% :scusthov: because nobody is gonna allow someone to keep dunking. LeBron really just had two good games, one mid game, and the other three games he was horrible but, most Bron Stans will never do a deep dive on his numbers :manny:
Great post.... Can you break down the 2004 finals for us
 

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I'd rather have the mid-range assassin. LeBron is more efficient at the rim (shooting 70% or so) than Kobe is (shooting 60% or so). In the mid-range Kobe is better...and we say this like the mid-range is a small place on the court. We've all been on a basketball court. The mid-range is everything between the three and the rim. That's a lot of space to be deficient at. Lebron hovers in the 30s percentage-wise in most places, whereas Kobe hovers in the 40% range.


Lebron knows he's not good at shooting so he goes in for dunks and layups where he is effective. But in the Playoffs, when defenses tighten up, that shyt didn't work. He lost to the Orlando Magic, with multiple games coming down to 1 or 2 points. If my guy could hit a jumper or hit a high percentage from the free throw, he probably could've won. Boston took away those dunks in 2010 too. LeBron averaged 32ppg, 7rbs, 6ast on 54% the first three games vs. Boston in 2010. The last three games of the series, he averaged 21ppg, 11rbs, 8ast on 34% :scusthov: because nobody is gonna allow someone to keep dunking. LeBron really just had two good games, one mid game, and the other three games he was horrible but, most Bron Stans will never do a deep dive on his numbers :manny:
Can you break down Lebron teammate games those 2 series you mentioned also
 

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I feel like Kobe is unfairly and not objectively judged as a player because you see a 6"6 guard vs. another 6"6 guard that played the same way and you start talking greasy. If I wanted to be disrespectful, I could say Magic Johnson is inferior to Jordan in every way imaginable, and using stats and accolades, I'd be in the right to say that but, none of yall nikkas ever get that disrespectful about Magic because you don't feel the same hate for him that you feel for Kobe.

:dead:

My middle name is Kobe, nikkas been calling me that shyt before Bean even played in the NBA why would I hate him Kobe is in my top 5-10 ever. Is it disrespectful that I don't think hes better than MJ, my goat? come on now breh.
 

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lol @ comparing Books 70 to Kobe’s 81.

“An outburst or two”

Lol

You nikkas never followed this shyt.

oh so you saying Kobe better than MJ :huh:

thats cool.

Now compose an argument devoid of ad hominems or emotion for why you believe that.

If your reasoning for Kobe > MJ is that he scored 81 points, then sure. say that. At least you will have given something tangible here.
 

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Not surprised that dumbass fraud Reb dapped this.

You guys don’t really know basketball at all.
Rather be what you consider me here than a fraud Black man carrying the water for racists.

This is about math. You hate math when it doesn’t favor Kobe.

It’s like idiots that say Shaq should’ve had a jumper. Why? When he’s damn near shooting at 60% under the basket? You clowns are about esthetics. It’s the reason why yall hate the 3 ball with today’s players shooting it with more efficiency as it removes the impact of the 2.

You NBA fans are dumb as fukk.
 
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