Kobe Bryant Is An All Time Great, Unless You Do The Math: VICE

[Cyber]

If you check the website for wins produced it goes as far back as the 77-78 season. Check where Jordan's 37ppg ranks, you have to scroll down to find it

According to either WP or WP/48 Jordan was only the best player once and was rarely ever top 5. Rodman was the MVP of the 96-98 Bulls, why would anyone take this metric seriously?

Dikembe Mutombo was Shaq's equal in 2000, wtf

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're talking in circles. Lol
How many times have I stated that no one stat is indicative of a player's entire value?

Quote where I have argued otherwise. Please.
It's one stat with a limited scope that shows that a certain beloved player isn't as efficient as you all though he was.

But this being the coli....red pill/blue pill.

First of all, this metric doesn't take into account a player's efficiency with proper context, second of all why would you even mention the shyt in the bold when it doesn't even measure efficiency properly and then use a straw man argument to back it up with this vague statement of how he wasn't as efficient as we thought he was. You're talking in circles to cover up the fact that you came in here not knowing what you're talking about.

 

[Dominicansbelit]

Easy, David Robinson played like shyt in the playoffs, when things mattered most he went from statistical monster to "We really need someone else to take over for this guy". If it weren't for Tim he'd be remembered as a soft center that shriveled up in the playoffs time and time again, his production in the playoffs pales in comparison to his regular season, you ain't top 10 when that happens.

Karl Malone was great numbers but Scottie said it best "The mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays" sorry but I like my big men to have elite back to the basket games, he didn't have one and he's not the best player ever at his position. Kobe could at least create shots for himself at an elite level, we'll never know if Malone could do that because he played all but 1 year of his career with a PG that constantly set him up.


I wouldn't take any of these 3 guys over Kobe

You the first nikka to respond with some evidence and fax..

 

[Remote]

First of all, this metric doesn't take into account a player's efficiency with proper context, second of all why would you even mention the shyt in the bold when it doesn't even measure efficiency properly and then use a straw man argument to back it up this vague statement of how he wasn't as efficient as we thought he was. You're talking in circles to cover up the fact that you came in here not knowing what you're talking about.

Ugh. You're insufferable and never address anything directly. Just baseless claim after baseless claim.

 

[The_Sheff]

FG % is more important than PPG breh.. scoring a lot of points at high efficiency like barkley is better than kobe's chucking

You heard it here first folks, Deandre Jordan is a much better player than a prime Kobe.

 

[fifth column]

I don't know(actually really don't care) about all this metric stuff to prove anything. Numbers can be manipulated to show or favor nonsensical stats. Like Al Davis said "just win, baby." So Kobe.

 

[High quality poster]

He's an all-time great, just not the best ever. And the disrespect he gets is because people kept saying he's as good or better than Jordan, that's not his fault but blame his fans for the backlash.

Eh, right now Bron is comparable to that 5 year run Kobe had.

I'm not denying Lebrons 5 year Run, they're both two great runs.

Kobe lacked a few things that truly made Jordan great, the most obvious being the athletic ability, their skills are very comparable, I'd go as far as to say Kobe is a bit more skilled with a lower IQ, Jordan's IQ was God like matches with his skill set and Jesusesque athletic ability it was

But Kobe is a notch or two below, nothing's wrong with that.

 

[fifth column]

I'm not denying Lebrons 5 year Run, they're both two great runs.

Kobe lacked a few things that truly made Jordan great, the most obvious being the athletic ability, their skills are very comparable, I'd go as far as to say Kobe is a bit more skilled with a lower IQ, Jordan's IQ was God like matches with his skill set and Jesusesque athletic ability it was

But Kobe is a notch or two below, nothing's wrong with that.

Also Mike's enormous hands made for better control

 

[O.T.I.S.]

If you check the website for wins produced it goes as far back as the 77-78 season. Check where Jordan's 37ppg ranks, you have to scroll down to find it

According to either WP or WP/48 Jordan was only the best player once and was rarely ever top 5. Rodman was the MVP of the 96-98 Bulls, why would anyone take this metric seriously?

Dikembe Mutombo was Shaq's equal in 2000, wtf

Exactly


20 years and they still taking shots at the gawd

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Ugh. You're insufferable and never address anything directly. Just baseless claim after baseless claim.

I came in here and addressed the article with evidence to back up why it's nonsense -

David Berri doesn't know the meaning of "truth finding". He doesn't understand basketball and he doesn't understand context. Nobody in their right mind would use ONE metric (a heavily flawed one at that) to determine the value of a player.

How Wins Produced Fails in Being the Magical Assessor of Player Value - this pretty much goes into detail with what's wrong with "Wins Produced".

I addressed that directly.

I can't say the same for you -

Don't worry.
They tried to slander Bill James too.

Stans gon Stan tho.

You gotta love it when numbers shatter perception.

If you knew how Wins Produced is formulated and its long list of shortcomings, you wouldn't be saying some generalized shyt like this. The only perception this metric shatters, is the person who created it.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Easy, David Robinson played like shyt in the playoffs, when things mattered most he went from statistical monster to "We really need someone else to take over for this guy". If it weren't for Tim he'd be remembered as a soft center that shriveled up in the playoffs time and time again, his production in the playoffs pales in comparison to his regular season, you ain't top 10 when that happens.

Karl Malone was great numbers but Scottie said it best "The mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays" sorry but I like my big men to have elite back to the basket games, he didn't have one and he's not the best player ever at his position. Kobe could at least create shots for himself at an elite level, we'll never know if Malone could do that because he played all but 1 year of his career with a PG that constantly set him up.


I wouldn't take any of these 3 guys over Kobe

 

[Newzz]

If you check the website for wins produced it goes as far back as the 77-78 season. Check where Jordan's 37ppg ranks, you have to scroll down to find it

According to either WP or WP/48 Jordan was only the best player once and was rarely ever top 5. Rodman was the MVP of the 96-98 Bulls, why would anyone take this metric seriously?

Dikembe Mutombo was Shaq's equal in 2000, wtf

@Trip you wanna provide a response for this breh?

 

[Bilz]

Despite Win Shares being flawed too. This article is based on Wins Produced - which doesn't factor in defense. I know you have an agenda to push but you're smarter than to take this metric seriously.

The article itself was a joke. He's making too much of one particular stat/measure but I found it interesting how different the response is when someone uses a different figure and takes it a different way.

 

[Cyber]

Exactly


20 years and they still taking shots at the gawd

I'm going through that site now and it gets worse, it really does get worse:

Rodman's career WP/48 is .344, higher than LeBron's (.261), Jordan (.244), and Shaq (.224), among others.

Jason Kidd is at .248, Ben Wallace at .299


This is the worst fukking stat I've encountered, and the guy that made is an economics professor.

 

[Houston911]

The white media will stop at nothing.

They dont want kids in the hood to have a trilingual superstar to look up to

Its pretty disgusting