Kobe Bryant Is An All Time Great, Unless You Do The Math: VICE

[Renzo]

As a commited Kobe hater since 96,I gotta ask was that article even needed? he isn Jordan nor is he anywhere near the greatest but being that this is his last year why not just appreciate? Dude put in work and I salute being able to see one of the all time greats calling it a career..brick away Kobe...

 

[Guess Who]

Kobe looks inefficient because of his penchant to take shots with a tremendously high degree of difficulty--not because of some foolish narrative of Kobe not being as good as the public thinks he is.

 

[fantabolous]

This is BS. Kobe's volume of scoring alone at the efficiency he scores is insane plus his ability to explode offensively.

Kobe's ability to score and shift defendes was Curry-esque in his prime. That shyt is beyond a box score.

The problem with analytics is it overrates efficiency especially in the sense that it leads to projecting numbers over 48 minutes or the course of a season.

Some stuff just is gonna go beyond what you can measure, like a players durability, and as always analytics focuses more on regular seasons than playoffs.

 

[Draje]

The problem with analytics is it overrates efficiency especially in the sense that it leads to projecting numbers over 48 minutes or the course of a season.

Some stuff just is gonna go beyond what you can measure, like a players durability, and as always analytics focuses more on regular seasons than playoffs.

No, it doesn't. Pretty much all the top ten players that most people can think of were extremely efficient, relative to their volume.

Kobe is an anomaly, honestly. He's pretty much JUST efficient enough to still be a positive because he takes such a high volume but efficiency is pretty big.

There's also the problem that Kobe will shoot you out of games even when other players are cooking and it can sometimes lead to a loss of rhythm for your teammates. There's good and bad that comes with a Kobe.

It's why Pau Gasol was one of the most genius pick ups for Kobe. He was an elite playmaking big man that didn't mind creating for others and gobbling boards. He's pretty much the perfect PF for a Iso Dominant SG(Kinda like Draymond Green is).

He was underrated because he was an all-star caliber big man who just happened to be competing against the likes of Tim Duncan, KG, Dirk, and Nash powered Amare, and CP3 powered David West( Plus China stuffing boxes for Yao) that made him fly under the radar.

But this is all fluff, Kobe's strengths do go beyond a box score but that holds true for all the greats. Lebron, Duncan, MJ, Russel, Shaq, etc.

 

[Dominicansbelit]

Oh so now you have a qualifier to go with your FG% stat, its almost as if you are saying you cant simply use one stat to define how good a player is...............................almost exactly what everyone who has been going to town on this article has said.

ok breh..

Kobe is great.. kobe would prolly be the goat if he played smarter... he was blessed with great teams... give a prime lebron or dwane wade the teams kobe had with phil jackson and all that and they never lose... lebron always had shytty ass coaches...

 

[Gravity]

I'm not denying Lebrons 5 year Run, they're both two great runs.

Kobe lacked a few things that truly made Jordan great, the most obvious being the athletic ability, their skills are very comparable, I'd go as far as to say Kobe is a bit more skilled with a lower IQ, Jordan's IQ was God like matches with his skill set and Jesusesque athletic ability it was

But Kobe is a notch or two below, nothing's wrong with that.

People keep talking about Kobe's "skills" but now when his athleticism is gone is when those skills should be on display. Where are they? Where is the elite post game and footwork that should allow him to get quality shots without getting by guys? Where's the off-ball catch and shoot game? Where's the play-making skills that would allow him to create for others? Dude is shooting 30% taking 8 3s a game. His skills have been greatly exaggerated at him being more skilled than Mike. The only thing that alone could ever do better than Mike is launch 3s.

 

[fantabolous]

No, it doesn't. Pretty much all the top ten players that most people can think of were extremely efficient, relative to their volume.

Kobe is an anomaly, honestly. He's pretty much JUST efficient enough to still be a positive because he takes such a high volume but efficiency is pretty big.

There's also the problem that Kobe will shoot you out of games even when other players are cooking and it can sometimes lead to a loss of rhythm for your teammates. There's good and bad that comes with a Kobe.

It's why Pau Gasol was one of the most genius pick ups for Kobe. He was an elite playmaking big man that didn't mind creating for others and gobbling boards. He's pretty much the perfect PF for a Iso Dominant SG(Kinda like Draymond Green is).

He was underrated because he was an all-star caliber big man who just happened to be competing against the likes of Tim Duncan, KG, Dirk, and Nash powered Amare, and CP3 powered David West( Plus China stuffing boxes for Yao) that made him fly under the radar.

But this is all fluff, Kobe's strengths do go beyond a box score but that holds true for all the greats. Lebron, Duncan, MJ, Russel, Shaq, etc.

Just saying there's more to the game than crunching the numbers... Like you said Kobe is an anomaly... Because analytics tells us that players were more efficient, which then leads people to try to use that to make player A definitively better than player B.

Not excusing it cause throughout his career Kobe has taken (and made) plenty bad shots... But him shooting that much at the percentage that he shoots (before the Achilles) is still extremely effective. I just hate the argument of efficiency because some players handle a bigger role and responsibility better than others.

Any stat, no matter what it is can be manipulated to make an argument for or against anybody, including wins and efficiency. And I know you aren't saying it, but too many times the argument is that Kobe isn't that great cause he's "less efficient" than other legendary players

 

[nieman]

So the numbers hate Kobe? The media is responsible for the man being so overrated in the first place. You wouldn't need articles like this if the perception of Kobe wasn't so skewed. Like his reputation for being clutch when the game's on the line. Due to him taking a lot of shots in crunch time and hitting some memorable game winners he's elevated as some top level closer, but when you look at the actual numbers for Kobe in the crunch you see that he's nowhere near as good as the hype.

But Reggie's whole career value is based off of 1-game vs the Knicks. That's his highlight. I would say a total of 3-4 games, the same games whenever they show Reggie.

 

[Gravity]

But Reggie's whole career value is based off of 1-game vs the Knicks. That's his highlight. I would say a total of 3-4 games, the same games whenever they show Reggie.

What does this have to do with my post man?

 

[Dwight Howard]

People keep talking about Kobe's "skills" but now when his athleticism is gone is when those skills should be on display. Where are they? Where is the elite post game and footwork that should allow him to get quality shots without getting by guys? Where's the off-ball catch and shoot game? Where's the play-making skills that would allow him to create for others? Dude is shooting 30% taking 8 3s a game. His skills have been greatly exaggerated at him being more skilled than Mike. The only thing that alone could ever do better than Mike is launch 3s.

if you seriously question Kobe's skill you just don't know basketball.

 

[Foxmulder]

People keep talking about Kobe's "skills" but now when his athleticism is gone is when those skills should be on display. Where are they? Where is the elite post game and footwork that should allow him to get quality shots without getting by guys? Where's the off-ball catch and shoot game? Where's the play-making skills that would allow him to create for others? Dude is shooting 30% taking 8 3s a game. His skills have been greatly exaggerated at him being more skilled than Mike. The only thing that alone could ever do better than Mike is launch 3s.

Jesus fukking Christ. Nikka is 37 years old coming off 3 major injuries that's where the fukk is skills went. Some of you dudes is fukking clowns.

 

[Gravity]

Jesus fukking Christ. Nikka is 37 years old coming off 3 major injuries that's where the fukk is skills went. Some of you dudes is fukking clowns.

The only time I see your bytchass screen name is when you're crying about something I've said about Nas or Kobe. You've got to be the most sensitive dedicated cocksucker on this forum hands down.

You clearly didn't understand what I said. You don't need elite athleticism to exhibit any of the skills that I referenced. If he's injured or so limited physically that he shouldn't be expected to play any better then why does he average the most shots on the team by 5? Why is he playing the most minutes behind Clarkson? Why is he still playing hero ball? His physical state is no excuse for the criticisms that I've made. He's out here gunning his ass off with no shame while shooting 30%. If he was as skilled as he's hyped up to be then he wouldn't be playing like this. He has a one dimensional game and mind-frame, that's my point.

 

[Foxmulder]

The only time I see your bytchass screen name is when you're crying about something I've said about Nas or Kobe. You've got to be the most sensitive dedicated cocksucker on this forum hands down.

You clearly didn't understand what I said. You don't need elite athleticism to exhibit any of the skills that I referenced. If he's injured or so limited physically that he shouldn't be expected to play any better then why does he average the most shots on the team by 5? Why is he playing the most minutes behind Clarkson? Why is he still playing hero ball? His physical state is no excuse for the criticisms that I've made. He's out here gunning his ass off with no shame while shooting 30%. If he was as skilled as he's hyped up to be then he wouldn't be playing like this. He has a one dimensional game and mind-frame, that's my point.

Nikka stfu. Your either a hating ass Nikka or a fukking idiot to question Kobe's skill set.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

If you decide to start your team with Reggie Miller instead of Kobe Bryant you are going to be pissed that you listened to analytical research. Reggie was nice, he isn't even in the same universe as Kobe and I'm not even a Kobe fan.

Analytics don't tell the whole story but keep letting cacs spout that bullshyt.

 

[KingJudah2]

Jesus fukking Christ. Nikka is 37 years old coming off 3 major injuries that's where the fukk is skills went. Some of you dudes is fukking clowns.

Skills extend your career they don't eliminate age these nikkas dumb AF. OG Kobe was a servicable player before the 1st major injury