Kobe is one the GOAT's...Lebron is on the GOAT's

[Newzz]

How the hell could Shaq be best player of the 2000s when he started his fall off in 2005


AI? T-Mac? VC? Paul Pierce? Dirk? KG? Nash? Let's be serious here


The ONLY person who's name can be brought up with Kobe of the 2000s is Tim Duncan, but he has a losing record against Kobe in the NBA Playoffs and also hasnt been a top 3 player in the NBA since the season 2005

 

[H.J.Duck]

i was gonna say that Kobe is the only one who was a top 5 player from early to late 00s....


as far as all time lists go, they're both top2 of their own positions... Kobe below MJ (Kobe is my favorite player ever but right now it's MJ=#1, Kobe=#2) and Bron is pretty much tied with Bird (or ahead, I dont care)

 

[GreatestLaker]

How the hell could Shaq be best player of the 2000s when he started his fall off in 2005


AI? T-Mac? VC? Paul Pierce? Dirk? KG? Nash? Let's be serious here


The ONLY person who's name can be brought up with Kobe of the 2000s is Tim Duncan, but he has a losing record against Kobe in the NBA Playoffs and also hasnt been a top 3 player in the NBA since the season 2005

The problem with saying its Shaq is he did a lot of his damage in the 90's and he fell off after 05.

 

[FTBS]

at this thread becoming the complete antithesis of what the TS intended.

at AI being considered for player of the 2000s. Not even in the convo with Shaq, Duncan, Kobe or even Lebron if team success is a factor. Outside of a what was proven to be a lightning in a bottle run in 2001 what is separating him from T-Mac if we are going there? If we are going pure impact then it's gotta be Duncan or Shaq.

 

[Da_Eggman]

Why dont you post their stats from 1980-1989



I'm not about to do your work. You say Bird was better, I say prove it. Where are the numbers?


You and this dude Reggie just talking, but aint bringing nothing to the thread but words.


Post their 10 year stats if you saying Bird was better than Magic from 1980-1989, plus their All-NBA teams/All-Defensive Teams/All-Star team awards as well

Larry Bird
(1979-1980 - 1988-1989): 25.0 PPG 10.2 RPG 6.1 APG 1.8 SPG 47 FieldGoal 32 3PFG 89FT 25.2 PER

ROY, 3x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 9x All-Star, 9x All-NBA, 3x All-Defense, 3x Champion

2x MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 9x All-Star, 8x All-NBA, 5x Champion

(1979-1980 - 1988-1989): 19.5 PPG 7.4 RPG 11.2 APG 2.0 SPG 50 FieldGoal 24 3PFG 84FT 23.6 PER

Defensive Win Share:
Larry Bird: 59.0
Magic Johnson: 47.0

so one more MVP
one more all NBA team
3 more All defense and ROTY

 

[keon]

Wilt Chamberlain & MJ are the only players that has more scoring titles then A.I..not saying that automatically makes him a GOAT, but he's definitely one of the greatest scorers ever,no question.

 

[Reggie]

It's not about rings.....you dont have to speak for me. I'm grown, I can speak for myself.


Kobe was elite EVERY single year of the 2000s. Consistently top 3 player from 2000-2009.


Shaq wasnt, AI wasnt, Duncan wasnt. Hell, Duncan has never even beat a Kobe led team in the playoffs

And since you keep on TALKING......post the entire stats for these "quite a few players" that you say had a better 10 year run, 2000-2009, than Kobe Bryant.


That's right you cant, because you're talking out of your ass and not bringing any facts to the table with you

So Kobe was undisputed number 3 all of those years huh. Never was Duncan KG T-mac Shaq AI Dirk could make a claim to being in the top three. Duncan produced at a high level from 97 till about 2007 so he didn't have a good run huh. Shaq was relevant and dominant from 1992 up until about 2006. AI had well over a ten year run too. So u saying Kobe has never beat a Kobe led team is giving him secondary status cause he definitely beat them in 99 as well as 2003. Kobe wasn't never seen as a top three player for that entire time you are referring too. If you believe that obviously you either didn't watch the game or was too damn young to know what the hell you are talking about. 1997–98 San Antonio 82 82 39.1 .549 .000 .662 11.9 2.7 .7 2.5 21.1
1998–99† San Antonio 50 50 39.3 .495 .143 .690 11.4 2.4 .9 2.5 21.7
1999–00 San Antonio 74 74 38.9 .490 .091 .761 12.4 3.2 .9 2.2 23.2
2000–01 San Antonio 82 82 38.7 .499 .259 .618 12.2 3.0 .9 2.3 22.2
2001–02 San Antonio 82 82 40.6 .508 .100 .799 12.7 3.7 .7 2.5 25.5
2002–03† San Antonio 81 81 39.3 .513 .273 .710 12.9 3.9 .7 2.9 23.3
2003–04 San Antonio 69 68 36.6 .501 .167 .599 12.4 3.1 .9 2.7 22.3
2004–05† San Antonio 66 66 33.4 .496 .333 .670 11.1 2.7 .7 2.6 20.3
2005–06 San Antonio 80 80 34.8 .484 .400 .629 11.0 3.2 .9 2.0 18.6
2006–07† San Antonio 80 80 34.1 .546 .111 .637 10.6 3.4 .8 2.4 20.0
2007–08 San Antonio 78 78 34.0 .497 .000 .730 11.3 2.8 .7 1.9 19.3
2008–09 San Antonio 75 75 33.6 .504 .000 .692 10.7 3.5 .5 1.7 19.3
Those are Tim Duncan's stats from the start of his career till 2009. Not to mention having 4 rings 2 MVP's and multiple First Team All Nba and defensive selections. So you can say that Kobe ran the 2000's all you want. I will believe what my eyes saw.

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

Without getting into long drawn out arguments, look at it like this...

Kobe is the only one of these players that has 7 Finals appearances SEVEN, a 3peat championship run, a repeat championship run and to top that off he won the the first year of the 2000's and the last year of the 2000's en route to winning 5 out of 7 championships. You add that to the fact that he has a winning playoff record against Duncan and he has more rings and Finals appearances than Shaq post-split , this is kind of a no-brainer.

I don't know how he's not the best player of the 2000's.

I'm just sitting back and thinking about it, 7 Finals appearances in 10 years is fukkING RIDICULOUS!

 

[LeVraiPapi]

1960's=Russell
1970's=Kareem
1980's=Magic
1990's=Jordan
2000's=Kobe
2011 to now=Lebron

2000's was Shaq and AI and nobody cared about no damn Kobe and he knew it. Got Shaq off the team then threatened to leave if they don't get him more HOFers and I m a Kobe fan. Shaq went on to win a ring with the Heat after losing to the Pistons in the ECF. Stop it.

 

[LeVraiPapi]

How the hell could Shaq be best player of the 2000s when he started his fall off in 2005


AI? T-Mac? VC? Paul Pierce? Dirk? KG? Nash? Let's be serious here


The ONLY person who's name can be brought up with Kobe of the 2000s is Tim Duncan, but he has a losing record against Kobe in the NBA Playoffs and also hasnt been a top 3 player in the NBA since the season 2005

In the Shaq era, how many Finals MVPs Kobe had ?


We need Ansars!!!

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

I truly feel sorry for these nikkaz goin out of their way to legitimately hate a successful black man.

 

[Newzz]

So Kobe was undisputed number 3 all of those years huh. Never was Duncan KG T-mac Shaq AI Dirk could make a claim to being in the top three. Duncan produced at a high level from 97 till about 2007 so he didn't have a good run huh. Shaq was relevant and dominant from 1992 up until about 2006. AI had well over a ten year run too. So u saying Kobe has never beat a Kobe led team is giving him secondary status cause he definitely beat them in 99 as well as 2003. Kobe wasn't never seen as a top three player for that entire time you are referring too. If you believe that obviously you either didn't watch the game or was too damn young to know what the hell you are talking about.
1999–00 San Antonio 74 74 38.9 .490 .091 .761 12.4 3.2 .9 2.2 23.2
2000–01 San Antonio 82 82 38.7 .499 .259 .618 12.2 3.0 .9 2.3 22.2
2001–02 San Antonio 82 82 40.6 .508 .100 .799 12.7 3.7 .7 2.5 25.5
2002–03† San Antonio 81 81 39.3 .513 .273 .710 12.9 3.9 .7 2.9 23.3
2003–04 San Antonio 69 68 36.6 .501 .167 .599 12.4 3.1 .9 2.7 22.3
2004–05† San Antonio 66 66 33.4 .496 .333 .670 11.1 2.7 .7 2.6 20.3
2005–06 San Antonio 80 80 34.8 .484 .400 .629 11.0 3.2 .9 2.0 18.6
2006–07† San Antonio 80 80 34.1 .546 .111 .637 10.6 3.4 .8 2.4 20.0
2007–08 San Antonio 78 78 34.0 .497 .000 .730 11.3 2.8 .7 1.9 19.3
2008–09 San Antonio 75 75 33.6 .504 .000 .692 10.7 3.5 .5 1.7 19.3
Those are Tim Duncan's stats from the start of his career till 2009. Not to mention having 4 rings 2 MVP's and multiple First Team All Nba and defensive selections. So you can say that Kobe ran the 2000's all you want. I will believe what my eyes saw.

So NOW, The Lakers were Kobe's Lakers in 2003 and not Shaq's?


If that's the case, then why arent you saying the 2001 and 2002 Lakers were Kobe's Lakers as well?


And THEN if you DO want to count that as Kobe's team....you do know that Kobe is 5-1 against Tim Duncan in the playoffs from 2000-2009 dont you if we are saying those teams were Kobe's?


Obviously, you have some agenda because you keep bringing up numbers from the 90s to justify Tim Duncan, when the original post that got this all started referred to the 2000s as Kobe's era. What the hell does 97, 98, or 99 got to do with the 2000s? Can you read breh?


Tim Duncan won 3 rings in the 2000s...Kobe won 5 of em in the 2000s.


Kobe has NEVER had a drop in production....Tim Duncan has.


Out of your own mouth, you just posted that Tim Duncan dropped off in 2007.....Kobe was STILL going strong in 2007.


All of the players Kobe played against fell off in the 2000s, he's the only one who didnt.


How is he not the player of the 2000s?


Again...



WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 2000's! 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009. That is a decade of you did not know. Stop telling us numbers from the 90s in a post specifically talking about who the best player from the 2000s is

 

[Newzz]

In the Shaq era, how many Finals MVPs Kobe had ?


We need Ansars!!!

How many times has Shaq been to the Finals without Kobe? 2
How many Finals MVPs does Shaq have without Kobe? 0.
How many times has Shaq won a ring without Kobe? 1.


How many times has Kobe been to the Finals without Shaq? 3.
How many Finals MVPs does Kobe have without Shaq? 2.
How many times has Kobe won a ring without Shaq? 2.




That's right.....game over.

 

[Street Knowledge]

How many times has Shaq been to the Finals without Kobe? 2
How many Finals MVPs does Shaq have without Kobe? 0.
How many times has Shaq won a ring without Kobe? 1.


How many times has Kobe been to the Finals without Shaq? 3.
How many Finals MVPs does Kobe have without Shaq? 2.
How many times has Kobe won a ring without Shaq? 2.




That's right.....game over.

nikkaz are still bringing up shaq in Kobe debates I feel like I'm in 2006.

How come no one ever talks about Shaq without Kobe

 

[LeVraiPapi]

How many times has Shaq been to the Finals without Kobe? 2
How many Finals MVPs does Shaq have without Kobe? 0.
How many times has Shaq won a ring without Kobe? 1.


How many times has Kobe been to the Finals without Shaq? 3.
How many Finals MVPs does Kobe have without Shaq? 2.
How many times has Kobe won a ring without Shaq? 2.




That's right.....game over.

How many HOF players and elite teams have Shaq played in after KObe ? How old was Shaq ?

Let's act KObe didn't get Pau Gasol, the best big man in the game at the time and Lamar Odom best six man who was basically a second option right ?