With all due respect Tim better get that spot over Marc. And if the world was fair James Harden would have the first team spot over Kobe. He definitely shouldnt be no worse than 2nd team status.
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With all due respect Tim better get that spot over Marc. And if the world was fair James Harden would have the first team spot over Kobe. He definitely shouldnt be no worse than 2nd team status.
Consistent in terms of what? There's virtually nothing between their records to have any significance.
Might not be a huge difference in the records but i think expectations should be taken into account too. The Lakers were supposed to be one of the best teams in the NBA, while the Rockets were expected to be in the lottery. Kobes numbers are a little better overall so when he gets the nod i wont be suprised. But if the Lakers dont get in the playoffs and the Rockets do i think Harden should get it over him.
Let's totally gloss over the fact the Lakers' two biggest acquisitions have been injured for the majority of this season and their PF has been dealing with injuries all season. That's 3 out of the 4 other starters who have been less-than-healthy, but hey let's just throw that out the window and only look at what they were expected to win at the start of the season and ignore how Kobe has fought tooth and nail to bring this team above .500 with 75% (as a collective) of the starting lineup basically having no significant impact on their total wins.
But didn't you just say Harden was more consistent throughout the season? Your post was just about everything except for why Harden was more consistent.
Let's totally gloss over the fact the Lakers' two biggest acquisitions have been injured for the majority of this season and their PF has been dealing with injuries all season. That's 3 out of the 4 other starters who have been less-than-healthy, but hey let's just throw that out the window and only look at what they were expected to win at the start of the season and ignore how Kobe has fought tooth and nail to bring this team above .500 with 75% (as a collective) of the starting lineup basically having no significant impact on their total wins.
But didn't you just say Harden was more consistent throughout the season? Your post was just about everything except for why Harden was more consistent.
The Lakers struggled since the preseason. Even if everyone was healthy they still wouldnt have been the team everyone expected. But dont worry ur boy Kobe getting that first team spot.
Did the Lakers have a healthy Gasol, Nash and Dwight since pre-season? If everyone was healthy since the pre-season, Lakers would be a top 4 seed and this wouldn't be a conversation. In no way, shape or form has Harden been more consistent or out-performed Kobe this season - not even close.
Did the Lakers have a healthy Gasol, Nash and Dwight since pre-season? If everyone was healthy since the pre-season, Lakers would be a top 4 seed and this wouldn't be a conversation. In no way, shape or form has Harden been more consistent or out-performed Kobe this season - not even close.
Its at least be close come on now wit that. Dwight may not have been 100 percent but he has played pretty much the whole season minus a few missed games here and there. Injuries are a part of the game and they have had at least two or three of those players on the court together all season. But lets make that an excuse when in reality you gotta center who is flaky as hell and dont no what he wanna do. You got a power forward who should have been gone after the 2011 season cuz its obvious he is not happy. You got a great point who is now a glorified spot up shooter. And u got a shooting guard who while his game is still top notch him being the dominant scorer for the Lakers hasnt worked out so well the past three seasons now has it. But lets blame all their struggles on injury.
That's not the point here, stop moving the goal posts.
The projections weren't based on Dwight, Pau and Nash being injured for the majority of the season, they were based on them being healthy. If folk knew that it would take Dwight over 3 quarters of the season to get 'right' and that Nash would be absent for close to 30 games and Pau would miss over 30 games: sporadically all across the season - do you honestly think the public would have high expectations for the Lakers in regards to their win record?
No of course not, so stop using that stupid 'expectations before the season' bullshyt as a vehicle to prop Harden above Kobe.
The bolded is literally a contradiction of everything you previously said. On one hand you're saying the Lakers had high expectations with their personnel and now you're saying they aren't as good as they were projected. If they aren't as good as they were projected, why did you use "Lakers' preseason expectations" as a factor to put Harden over Kobe?
That literally makes no sense, and it does your argument more harm than good.
I'm not blaming ALL the struggles on injuries, but they have a HUGE role in this. This team hasn't been able to develop any chemistry whatsoever and add to the fact they've had a coaching change and in-house trivial shyt gone on. It's absolutely stupid and makes no sense at all, to put Harden over Kobe and use their records as a deciding factor.
And through all of this, you still haven't said why Harden has been more consistent? The most important part of this discussion, as we are talking about player vs player here.
How is saying they had high expectations and they didnt meet them as expected a contadiction. Whose fault but thier own that they even had to make a coahing change? I realize they needed time for chemistry but the Celts teamed up three stars and one a chip. The Heat teamed up and immediately went to the Finals. The Spurs suffer an injury to one or two of their stars every season and they still make it work every year.
It's a contradiction because you used their pre-season projections and said Lakers were suppose to be one of the best teams in the league, and then you said "you gotta center who is flaky as hell and dont no what he wanna do. You got a power forward who should have been gone after the 2011 season cuz its obvious he is not happy. You got a great point who is now a glorified spot up shooter." as if to say they aren't one of better teams in the league. You're using high pre-season expectations from the public that the Lakers never lived up to, as a factor to push Harden over Kobe, while you believed they were never that good to begin with and weren't that good throughout the season. So why would you use that high expectations example when you never believed it in the first place?
If you can't see the contradiction in that, there's no hope for you.
More stupid examples.
Were Allen, Pierce and KG injured throughout their first season together they won the Championship? No.
Were Bosh, Lebron and Wade injured throughout their first season together they made it to the finals? No.
The Spurs situations is nothing like the Lakers, NOTHING. They've had their core players for years - this is the first season for Pau, Kobe, Nash and Dwight. Why would you use this example I don't know. Not to mention they haven't won shyt for six seasons.
What happened to the Celtics the season after they won the ship and KG got injured before the playoffs?
Once again, why was Harden more consistent than Kobe? You keep dodging the question.
It's a contradiction because you used their pre-season projections and said Lakers were suppose to be one of the best teams in the league, and then you said "you gotta center who is flaky as hell and dont no what he wanna do. You got a power forward who should have been gone after the 2011 season cuz its obvious he is not happy. You got a great point who is now a glorified spot up shooter." as if to say they aren't one of better teams in the league. You're using high pre-season expectations from the public that the Lakers never lived up to, as a factor to push Harden over Kobe, while you believed they were never that good to begin with and weren't that good throughout the season. So why would you use that high expectations example when you never believed it in the first place?
More stupid examples.
Were Allen, Pierce and KG injured throughout their first season together they won the Championship? No.
Were Bosh, Lebron and Wade injured throughout their first season together they made it to the finals? No.
The Spurs situations is nothing like the Lakers, NOTHING. They've had their core players for years - this is the first season for Pau, Kobe, Nash and Dwight. Why would you use this example I don't know. Not to mention they haven't won shyt for six seasons.
What happened to the Celtics the season after they won the ship and KG got injured before the playoffs?
If you can't see the contradiction in that, there's no hope for you.
fukk all the bullshyt. I got an opinion of what i feel and just because you choose to think different ain no need in getting ur panties in a bunch. And what does what i said about Pau Dwight or Nash got to do with how good we thought the Lakers would be. But im glad u no what I believe. And again u keep using injuries as an excuse when at least two and most of the time three of those players were playing.
The Lakers have been hit with injuries, and a coaching change this year. But still their 2 best players Kobe and Dwight have played the lionshare of games this season. Their record should be a lot better than what it is.
The bulls haven't had Rose all year and our record is better than the lakers, and our 2nd best player Noah has been out the past few weeks. Not to mention R.I.P being Hurt, Marco being out, Taj being out, Deng battling injuries etc...
The bulls haven't had Rose all year and our record is better than the lakers, and our 2nd best player Noah has been out the past few weeks. Not to mention R.I.P being Hurt, Marco being out, Taj being out, Deng battling injuries etc...