Tim Duncan is this generation Bill Russell..the nikka who got the rings but not the flasy game and that gets you overlooked in convos like this
Kobe, since we talking finals records?
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IllmaticDelta
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no kobe
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
I’m here for the scraps
This is how it’s always been. Gaudy scoring numbers don’t get you the MVP
. That’s what the scoring title counts for. Gotta do better than 4 games over .500 if you want that award.
GoddamnyamanProf
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Yeah and Kobe got swept as defending champ w the better team after Laker fans were talking big shyt about Dallas
Either head to head playoff matchup matters or it doesn't. Can't have it both ways.
Total lie. The only player? What about Karl Malone? Jeff Hornacek? John Stockton? Lamar Odom? Kevin Durant? Russell Westbrook? Jason Terry?
And Nash has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs - so what does that mean?
Oh look, Stockton has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs too.
And damn...Jason Terry also has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs.
Dirk has a winning record against Kobe.
Karl Malone has a winning record against Kobe.
David Robinson, Jason Kidd, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden....pretty sure they all have 50-50 records against Kobe in the playoffs, so they must be just as good as him.
Or is this another Kobestan argument where we just make up a new standard every time it's convenient.
Duncan and Shaq were going head-to-head as the focal points on offense and defense for all of 1999-2004. When Pop was game-planning for the Lakers, he planned around Shaq, not Kobe. That's why Shaq got the double-teams (like Duncan did on the other end) while Kobe faced only single coverage all game. Pop's gamble, since he was facing two stars with just one, was to goad Kobe into shooting 30-40 times a game and hope he missed, because he knew Shaq wasn't going to be missing. And it worked in 1999 and 2003.
Kobe didn't lead the team, Kobe didn't guard Duncan, Kobe didn't stop Duncan, Kobe rarely scored on Duncan, and Kobe had Shaq.
The ONLY time that a Kobe-led team even faced Duncan was in 2008, when Ginobli was hurt and that version of the Spurs was on the decline. Kobe's teams sucked too much in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016, all the years Duncan had a great supporting cast, to ever have to face them...which is the only reason why Duncan's record against Kobe isn't dominant.
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IllmaticDelta
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Total lie. The only player? What about Karl Malone? Jeff Hornacek? John Stockton? Lamar Odom? Kevin Durant? Russell Westbrook? Jason Terry?
And Nash has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs - so what does that mean?
Oh look, Stockton has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs too.
And damn...Jason Terry also has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs.
Dirk has a winning record against Kobe.
Karl Malone has a winning record against Kobe.
David Robinson, Jason Kidd, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden....pretty sure they all have 50-50 records against Kobe in the playoffs, so they must be just as good as him.
Or is this another Kobestan argument where we just make up a new standard every time it's convenient.
Duncan and Shaq were going head-to-head as the focal points on offense and defense for all of 1999-2004. When Pop was game-planning for the Lakers, he planned around Shaq, not Kobe. That's why Shaq got the double-teams (like Duncan did on the other end) while Kobe faced only single coverage all game. Pop's gamble, since he was facing two stars with just one, was to goad Kobe into shooting 30-40 times a game and hope he missed, because he knew Shaq wasn't going to be missing. And it worked in 1999 and 2003.
Kobe didn't lead the team, Kobe didn't guard Duncan, Kobe didn't stop Duncan, Kobe rarely scored on Duncan, and Kobe had Shaq.
The ONLY time that a Kobe-led team even faced Duncan was in 2008, when Ginobli was hurt and that version of the Spurs was on the decline. Kobe's teams sucked too much in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016, all the years Duncan had a great supporting cast, to ever have to face them...which is the only reason why Duncan's record against Kobe isn't dominant.
They actually needed to prevent a three, and a 37yo seven-footer wasn't considered the ideal player for that role.Low Key I woulda gave the GHOAT the nod over Kobe but he bytched out and let Pop bench him when they only needed a rebound. He would have 6 and Bron would have 7
Though considering how he trapped Westbrook on the sideline the next year, he might have been.
Ray was only there for one Finals win (and was part of the reason they lost in 2014), how you taking away two?Ur right, Bron would have 8 Finals losses if not for Ray Allen.
And ppl on here say he's the GOAT
And what's the deal with taking it away anyway, "real players" only have teammates who miss shots or something?
Gave you a whole list of them, all I've heard from you since then is crickets.
That's because you didn't have a clue what was going on on the court. You were probably a teenager at best when they met in 2001.
Duncan and Shaq were going head-to-head as the focal points on offense and defense for all of 1999-2004. When Pop was game-planning for the Lakers, he planned around Shaq, not Kobe. That's why Shaq got the double-teams (like Duncan did on the other end) while Kobe faced only single coverage all game. Pop's gamble, since he was facing two stars with just one, was to goad Kobe into shooting 30-40 times a game and hope he missed, because he knew Shaq wasn't going to be missing. And it worked in 1999 and 2003.
Kobe didn't lead the team, Kobe didn't guard Duncan, Kobe didn't stop Duncan, Kobe rarely scored on Duncan, and Kobe had Shaq.
Kobe never faced a Duncan team with an elite supporting cast. Duncan had to face the best Kobe teams because (like Lebron) he tended to make the conference Finals whether he had a good supporting cast or not, but Kobe never faced the good Duncan teams because he ONLY advanced in the playoffs when the rest of his team was elite. Kobe's teams sucked too much in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016, all the years Duncan had a great supporting cast, to ever have to face them...which is the only reason why Duncan's record against Kobe isn't dominant.
DUNCAN WON BACK TO BACK AND WON A TITLE WHEN HE WASNT EVEN AN ALL-STAR
NICE TRY THO
NICE TRY THO
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Total lie. The only player? What about Karl Malone? Jeff Hornacek? John Stockton? Lamar Odom? Kevin Durant? Russell Westbrook? Jason Terry?
And Nash has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs - so what does that mean?
Oh look, Stockton has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs too.
And damn...Jason Terry also has a winning record against Kobe in the playoffs.
Dirk has a winning record against Kobe.
Karl Malone has a winning record against Kobe.
David Robinson, Jason Kidd, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, James Harden....pretty sure they all have 50-50 records against Kobe in the playoffs, so they must be just as good as him.
Or is this another Kobestan argument where we just make up a new standard every time it's convenient.
Duncan and Shaq were going head-to-head as the focal points on offense and defense for all of 1999-2004. When Pop was game-planning for the Lakers, he planned around Shaq, not Kobe. That's why Shaq got the double-teams (like Duncan did on the other end) while Kobe faced only single coverage all game. Pop's gamble, since he was facing two stars with just one, was to goad Kobe into shooting 30-40 times a game and hope he missed, because he knew Shaq wasn't going to be missing. And it worked in 1999 and 2003.
Kobe didn't lead the team, Kobe didn't guard Duncan, Kobe didn't stop Duncan, Kobe rarely scored on Duncan, and Kobe had Shaq.
The ONLY time that a Kobe-led team even faced Duncan was in 2008, when Ginobli was hurt and that version of the Spurs was on the decline. Kobe's teams sucked too much in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016, all the years Duncan had a great supporting cast, to ever have to face them...which is the only reason why Duncan's record against Kobe isn't dominant.
All those buttals & Vino is still 4-2 vs Duncan in the playoffs
Get owned repeatedly by Steve Nash and thus be forced to make up random criteria and take credit for Shaq-led teams brehs.