Kobe Was Ridiculous

[Professor Emeritus]

the thread is about Kobe. someone brought up lebron and this nikka posted a photo of jordan

nikka the Sentry of stanning

OP brought up Jordan too, dumbass. And four people brought up Bron before I did. A Kobestan brought him up first, for literally zero reason, and he blatantly lied.

As I've pointed out many times before, I never start these stan wars, I just respond to them. If you don't want a stan war, then why not point the finger at the ones starting them?

 

[Sunalmighty]

OP brought up Jordan too, dumbass. And four people brought up Bron before I did. A Kobestan brought him up first, for literally zero reason, and he blatantly lied.

As I've pointed out many times before, I never start these stan wars, I just respond to them. If you don't want a stan war, then why not point the finger at the ones starting the

chill god, i'm fukking with you

 

[LurkGod]

Kobestans constantly say he Kobe has 5 rings and deserves just as much credit as Shaq does. They count all those rings just as much as if he had been leading the team. They say his 5 rings are superior to other players who have 3 or 4 rings, even if those other players were the team leader and Finals MVP for more of theirs. That's what it means to give him FULL CREDIT for the rings.

That's why I say all-or-nothing ring counting is dumb. Kobe's contribution in 2000 (and the other years, but most obviously 2000) was clearly not nearly as important as Shaq's contribution. Yeah he went off some games, just like Wiggins went off some games last year, or Middleton the year before that. Yes, he played a big part in some wins, just like any good role player does. But he wasn't the main reason they won, not even close, and talking like his 78 total points in the 2000 Finals were just as meaningful as another player who put up more than that in 2 games alone is a joke.

You have to see the lack of logic for "all or nothing" ring counting. You full well know that Klay, Middleton, AD, Siakim, Kyrie, Wade, Terry, Pau, etc. don't get the same credit for their rings that Steph, Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi, Duncan, Dirk, and Kobe got. It's obvious that if you have to "ring count" at all, only the best player is going to receive the full credit. But suddenly when Kobe isn't the best player, you want the rules to change for him alone.

Kobe wasn’t no damn role player. Just a couple posts back you brought up him being an all star (which was only because he was popular, not because he was that caliber of player yet) in 98 to share blame in a sweep but now, two years later he’s just a “good role player?”

Kobe was one of the only reasons they were even in the damn finals because he cooked the Blazers in game 7, that’s not role player shyt. His Finals numbers that year were skewed because Jalen Rose intentionally injured his damn ankle but even still he closed the pivotal game out when Shaq fouled out.

Saying Kobe was a role player during the three peat is crazy talk

 

[Stick Up Kid]

OP brought up Jordan too, dumbass. And four people brought up Bron before I did. A Kobestan brought him up first, for literally zero reason, and he blatantly lied.

As I've pointed out many times before, I never start these stan wars, I just respond to them. If you don't want a stan war, then why not point the finger at the ones starting them?

I never brought up Jordan

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Greatest player i ever watched (outside of MJ)

I never brought up Jordan

lol

 

[Black Mamba]

Kobestans constantly say he Kobe has 5 rings and deserves just as much credit as Shaq does. They count all those rings just as much as if he had been leading the team. They say his 5 rings are superior to other players who have 3 or 4 rings, even if those other players were the team leader and Finals MVP for more of theirs. That's what it means to give him FULL CREDIT for the rings.

That's why I say all-or-nothing ring counting is dumb. Kobe's contribution in 2000 (and the other years, but most obviously 2000) was clearly not nearly as important as Shaq's contribution. Yeah he went off some games, just like Wiggins went off some games last year, or Middleton the year before that. Yes, he played a big part in some wins, just like any good role player does. But he wasn't the main reason they won, not even close, and talking like his 78 total points in the 2000 Finals were just as meaningful as another player who put up more than that in 2 games alone is a joke.

You have to see the lack of logic for "all or nothing" ring counting. You full well know that Klay, Middleton, AD, Siakim, Kyrie, Wade, Terry, Pau, etc. don't get the same credit for their rings that Steph, Giannis, LeBron, Kawhi, Duncan, Dirk, and Kobe got. It's obvious that if you have to "ring count" at all, only the best player is going to receive the full credit. But suddenly when Kobe isn't the best player, you want the rules to change for him alone.

Oh man when Bron retires we finna put you tarred in feathers and other shyt then in a cannon to launch your ass off this Lakeshow

 

[Black Mamba]

Also fukk all you putos in this thread shytting on the GOAT KOBE BRYANT

YOU fukkING DOG shyt bytchES

 

[LexDiamonds]

Kobe wasn’t no damn role player. Just a couple posts back you brought up him being an all star (which was only because he was popular, not because he was that caliber of player yet) in 98 to share blame in a sweep but now, two years later he’s just a “good role player?”

Kobe was one of the only reasons they were even in the damn finals because he cooked the Blazers in game 7, that’s not role player shyt. His Finals numbers that year were skewed because Jalen Rose intentionally injured his damn ankle but even still he closed the pivotal game out when Shaq fouled out.

Saying Kobe was a role player during the three peat is crazy talk

2000 NBA finals

Shaq - 38ppg, 16.7 rebounds, 2.7 blks on 61.1 fg%

Kobe - 15.6ppg, 4.6 rebounds, 4.2 assists on 36.7 fg% and 20% from three

Shaq averaged more rebounds than Kobe averaged points

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe wasn’t no damn role player. Just a couple posts back you brought up him being an all star (which was only because he was popular, not because he was that caliber of player yet) in 98 to share blame in a sweep but now, two years later he’s just a “good role player?”

Kobe was one of the only reasons they were even in the damn finals because he cooked the Blazers in game 7, that’s not role player shyt. His Finals numbers that year were skewed because Jalen Rose intentionally injured his damn ankle but even still he closed the pivotal game out when Shaq fouled out.

Saying Kobe was a role player during the three peat is crazy talk

Doesn't matter what he did beforehand, in the 2000 Finals he was a role player. Averaged 15-4-4, come on now.

The fact that you make a big deal about Game 7 of the WCF (25 points on 9-19 shooting) just makes your point worse. Yes, a role player can have 25 in a big game. Didn't Gabe Vincent just light up the Celtics for 29 in Game 2 while Caleb Martin pulled up for 25? Didn't Derrick White leda all scorers in Game 5 with 24 while Marcus Smart was second with 23?

Earlier in the WCF, Kobe scored just 13 points on 4-9 shooting in Game 1 and 12 points on 2-9 shooting in Game 2. He had 18 points on 5-15 shooting in Game 4, 17 points on 4-13 shooting in Game 5. That's MOST of the games in the WCF where he put up role player numbers, not star numbers, and he wasn't even injured yet. Then Game 1 of the Finals, still before the injury, he puts up just 14 points on 6-13 shooting.

So in 5 of the last 8 games before the injury, he put up weak ass efforts on offense and it didn't even matter because the Lakers won most of those games anyway. Then after he got injured he only reached double figures twice in the last five games, and in one of those he had to shoot 8-27 to do it.

Sorry if that's nowhere near the same planet that Shaq was on.

 

[kdslittlebro]

A thread about a deceased legend and his best clutch moments turned into this

Weirdo nikkas can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. It’s not that difficult to give props to more than one player, but mf’s stay with that zero-sum mindset. Any props for one player means you gotta balance it out by hating on another

 

[LurkGod]

Doesn't matter what he did beforehand, in the 2000 Finals he was a role player. Averaged 15-4-4, come on now.

The fact that you make a big deal about Game 7 of the WCF (25 points on 9-19 shooting) just makes your point worse. Yes, a role player can have 25 in a big game. Didn't Gabe Vincent just light up the Celtics for 29 in Game 2 while Caleb Martin pulled up for 25? Didn't Derrick White leda all scorers in Game 5 with 24 while Marcus Smart was second with 23?

Earlier in the WCF, Kobe scored just 13 points on 4-9 shooting in Game 1 and 12 points on 2-9 shooting in Game 2. He had 18 points on 5-15 shooting in Game 4, 17 points on 4-13 shooting in Game 5. That's MOST of the games in the WCF where he put up role player numbers, not star numbers, and he wasn't even injured yet. Then Game 1 of the Finals, still before the injury, he puts up just 14 points on 6-13 shooting.

So in 5 of the last 8 games before the injury, he put up weak ass efforts on offense and it didn't even matter because the Lakers won most of those games anyway. Then after he got injured he only reached double figures twice in the last five games, and in one of those he had to shoot 8-27 to do it.

Sorry if that's nowhere near the same planet that Shaq was on.

Oh so when they got swept he was an all star and when they won the chip he was a “role player”.

My bad I thought we were having a serious discussion

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Oh man when Bron retires we finna put you tarred in feathers and other shyt then in a cannon to launch your ass off this Lakeshow

But zero heat for the guy who shyt on Bron way worse, right at the beginning of the thread, with zero context or motivation. It's okay for a "Laker" fan to derail a Kobe thread just to randomly make up lies about Lebron for no reason, but for a Lebron fan to respond to those lies, that's too much.

Y'all keep proving you're Kobe fans, not Laker fans.

Weirdo nikkas can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. It’s not that difficult to give props to more than one player, but mf’s stay with that zero-sum mindset. Any props for one player means you gotta balance it out by hating on another

How many people aren't reading the thread to see that a KOBE FAN shyt on Bron first before any Bron fans had even entered the thread?

If no one had posted Bron hate, I wouldn't have posted in the thread at all.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Oh so when they got swept he was an all star and when they won the chip he was a “role player”.

My bad I thought we were having a serious discussion

I've been under no illusions that any of you are trying to have a serious discussion.

I pointed out that Kobe was an all-star and the team's 2nd/3rd option in those years to counter the posters who were claiming that Kobe was irrelevant and losing to the Jazz was all on Shaq alone. Of course he was still a role player, but he was an important enough role player that if he plays like shyt, he deserves some of the blame. ANYONE who plays poorly deserves blame if their poor play hurt the team.

FWIW, Eddie Jones and Nick van Exel were role players too, despite also making the all-star team. And both of them deserve blame for losing too, especially van Exel.

I think players should get the amount of blame corresponding to how much they hurt the team, and the amount of credit corresponding to how much they help the team. I think all-or-nothing is stupid (especially when it's not even correlated to how well they play), and I think ring-counting is stupid. I've always been consistent on that.

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

Weirdo nikkas can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. It’s not that difficult to give props to more than one player, but mf’s stay with that zero-sum mindset. Any props for one player means you gotta balance it out by hating on another

That one fukking nerd was like

"Actually statistics prove that Kobe was, in fact, not the most clutch athlete ever! No need to lie about him!
"

Who raised these men?

 

[LurkGod]

I've been under no illusions that any of you are trying to have a serious discussion.

I pointed out that Kobe was an all-star and the team's 2nd/3rd option in those years to counter the posters who were claiming that Kobe was irrelevant and losing to the Jazz was all on Shaq alone. Of course he was still a role player, but he was an important enough role player that if he plays like shyt, he deserves some of the blame. ANYONE who plays poorly deserves blame if their poor play hurt the team.

FWIW, Eddie Jones and Nick van Exel were role players too, despite also making the all-star team. And both of them deserve blame for losing too, especially van Exel.

I think players should get the amount of blame corresponding to how much they hurt the team, and the amount of credit corresponding to how much they help the team. I think all-or-nothing is stupid (especially when it's not even correlated to how well they play), and I think ring-counting is stupid. I've always been consistent on that.

You compared Kobe having 25 points 11 rebounds and 7 assists in a game 7 comeback win to some damn Gabe Vincent. You’re just as disingenuous as anybody else