Kobe wasnt even the best player In his first 5 Finals

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Both Kobe and LeBron are legends. Kobe is the better 1v1 player as he should be because he is a guard and LeBron is an athletic big man. LeBron is the better team player. LeBron looks to make the smart basketball play and Kobe plays hero ball shooting unnecessary tough shots. In a game of 1 on 1 I'm putting my money on Kobe but if I were a GM or another player I would want to play with LeBron if we take the personalities out of it. Kobe would probably kill anyone in a game of hoop 1v1 outside of Jordan.
 

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Did Shaq defend the best big men?

Was Shaq the closer?

In the 01 Spurs series I already said Shaq gaurded Duncan/Drob n Kobe's defender Derek anderson was
injured, Kobe had a easy match up but you ignored that :yeshrug:

and does closer= best player?


01 playoffs through WCF

Kobe - 31.6 ppg
Shaq - 29.3 ppg

What's more impressive...having carry Kobe you to the finals & then snapping or having your best all around player lead you past Portland, Sac & SA?

Whats their fg%? and why does the finals not matter? is it because Kobe was sub par? Kobe was wayyy better in 01 than in 2000 or 2002 and shaq was still better in 01 :yeshrug:

in 02 the gap re-widened again

Shaq 28.5 Points, 53% Kobe 26.6 Points, 43% FG :yeshrug:

He was the best player overall for 4 of 5 chips

No, he wasnt the best player for 3 of his 5 rings
 

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Both Kobe and LeBron are legends. Kobe is the better 1v1 player as he should be because he is a guard and LeBron is an athletic big man. LeBron is the better team player. LeBron looks to make the smart basketball play and Kobe plays hero ball shooting unnecessary tough shots. In a game of 1 on 1 I'm putting my money on Kobe but if I were a GM or another player I would want to play with LeBron if we take the personalities out of it. Kobe would probably kill anyone in a game of hoop 1v1 outside of Jordan.

Agree, kobe is def more skilled on offense and 1 on 1 and his game is really amazing to look at, but NBA ball is 5 on 5 and LBJ is just the more impactful player, theres not many players better than LBJ so thats nothing to be ashamed of :yeshrug:
 

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Agree, kobe is def more skilled on offense and 1 on 1 and his game is really amazing to look at, but NBA ball is 5 on 5 and LBJ is just the more impactful player, theres not many players better than LBJ so thats nothing to be ashamed of :yeshrug:

Bron is also a mediocre defender
 

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Get the fukk outta here nikka :laff:

When the Spurs, Blazers & Kings would lose to the Lakers...Shaq wasn't the diff, #8 was

When Shaq would barely score in the 4th, #8 carried the load

#8 would setup the offense & defend the opposing perimeter threat

Kobe had more responsibilities than Shaq & he executed them well
 

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Bron is also a mediocre defender

Kobe is overall worse on D.. His own coach even came out and said he didnt deserve All D teams and was overrated on D

Kobe is better Man to man, bron is more versitle, Theres no way Kobe can do what LBJ did in the 16 finals, thats the best defense I ever saw a perimeter player play. Kobe fell off on D after 03....(08 he was pretty good tho) but I think LBJ is the better defender
 

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Kobe is overall worse on D.. His own coach even came out and said he didnt deserve All D teams and was overrated on D

Kobe is better Man to man, bron is more versitle, Theres no way Kobe can do what LBJ did in the 16 finals, thats the best defense I ever saw a perimeter player play. Kobe fell off on D after 03....(08 he was pretty good tho) but I think LBJ is the better defender

You know Bron was only able to play great help defense bc Harrison Barnes stunk it up right? Last year I was of the belief that any SF that could hit any wide open shots would have made the diff. Bron stepped up his off ball defense in 16 Finals only bc of HB bum ass tho

Man to man defense the comparison isn't close. Kobe is light miles ahead of Bron bc he has better footwork & he was more committed to it.

For a superstar level player at the SG position, defensively, MJ & Kob are the standard

Can't say the same for LBJ

And Kobe was committed to def since age 21
 

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You know Bron was only able to play great help defense bc Harrison Barnes stunk it up right? Last year I was of the belief that any SF that could hit any wide open shots would have made the diff. Bron stepped up his off ball defense in 16 Finals only bc of HB bum ass tho

Man to man defense the comparison isn't close. Kobe is light miles ahead of Bron bc he has better footwork & he was more committed to it.

For a superstar level player at the SG position, defensively, MJ & Kob are the standard

Can't say the same for LBJ

And Kobe was committed to def since age 21

:dwillhuh: Kobe is nowhere near MJ on defense, Did you watch MJ? thats one of the main reasons MJ is a much better player than him :gucci:
MJ is one of the best defensive gaurds EVER there are many many better gaurd defenders than kobe

And he cant that dedicated if he OWN COACH said he didnt deserve ALL D teams

When did Phil ever say MJ is overrated on D??:dwillhuh:
 

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:dwillhuh: Kobe is nowhere near MJ on defense, Did you watch MJ? thats one of the main reasons MJ is a much better player than him :gucci:
MJ is one of the best defensive gaurds EVER there are many many better gaurd defenders than kobe

And he cant that dedicated if he OWN COACH said he didnt deserve ALL D teams

When did Phil ever say MJ is overrated on D??:dwillhuh:

You gotta be under 30 the way you're talking cuz clearly you didn't watch the games

Phil had a vendetta against Kobe in the book

I watched the games, I saw Kob lock up Franchise, Answer, Jesus, etc...

But go ahead with your revisionist history

For a superstar, Kobe was elite defensively from age 21-33
 

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You gotta be under 30 the way you're talking cuz clearly you didn't watch the games

Phil had a vendetta against Kobe in the book

I watched the games, I saw Kob lock up Franchise, Answer, Jesus, etc...

But go ahead with your revisionist history

For a superstar, Kobe was elite defensively from age 21-33

You said MJ and Kobe were the standard for Defense....thats not true MJ was way way better on D

Bold is also not true he fell off after the 3 peat...dont mention Kobe and Mj in the same sentence...its a joke kobe just tryed to play like MJ he wasnt as good
 

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Mutombo couldn't check Shaq & neither could Matt Geiger or Todd MacCullough

Mutombo won the award bc of the team he played for

McKie won 6th man
Larry won coach
Mutombo won DPOY
AI won MVP
I was going to refute this but why argue horseshyt?

Anyone trying to down play Deke's defense impact that year didn't watch or is lying.

Shaq dominated him because Shaq was godly at that point in his career
 
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