Kobe's classic game 7 against the Suns

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As close as those games were and as lackadaisical as the Warriors were playing you can’t tell me LeBron wasn’t good enough to at least steal a game or two. Kevin Love isn’t an excuse because he actually showed up for once. You acting like every game was a blowout by halftime.

No one is even saying win the series. But notice how Kobe was clearly overmatched and still figured enough out with his coach to take it to 7 while LeBron couldn’t even get one when he supposedly a superior player and better than Jordan according to some. How does that look breh? No hate at all, LeBron is talented enough and his team played hard enough to steal a game or two. Why is it a problem to admit that?

Game 1 was the game to steal and we all saw what happened!
 

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Because by Game 7, the sons put Kobe and the Lakers into a corner. You damn sure were following the team then so how could you forget the other guys playing like deers in headlights after battling the past 6 games? They had no business even taking it 7 but Kobe and Phil made that big of a difference which speaks volumes about their talents. Sons were keyed in on Kobe in that game and they knew he was going to live and die by the production of his teammates.

Now let me ask, and this is a question for everyone that loves to bring up Game 7. If Kobe had decided to simply shoot the rock and go away from what had been working all series wouldn’t the narrative then be that Kobe was selfish and didn’t trust his teammates/the system? That’s why y’all even bringing it up makes y’all agenda look so transparent.

That Game 7 was a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. He had a season where he scored godly numbers but in the end he needed his teammates to get involved to win and he fell on the sword for it. Only way we would’ve won Game 7 was the same way we won the other games, by controlling time of possession, dominating in paint points, make a decent amount of open shots, decent production from the bench, and solid defense. How much of that was available in Game 7? Lakers lost that series in Game 6 when Odom didn’t get the board over Matrix and Kobe couldn’t deliver on those game winning shots.
Kobe wouldn't have received any mainstream hate if he tried hard and the Lakers just got beat. He only would have shyt from the people like me who remembered what the kobestans said when Kobe's peers had inferior teams and lost.

Kobe's play in the 2nd half was suspect and it killed a lot of narratives that were always parroted in his favor.
 

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Save that simple psychology. If you act like a bytch then I'm going to call you a bytch. That "I didn't read your post" comment was the epitome of bytchmade. If you're not going to read a person's comment then simply ignore them. Responding just to say "I didn't read" is feminine. That reminds me of when girls in middle school used to call me just to "I'm not talkin to you". Take your hand off of your hips my dude.

Like I've said. It's not about Kobe not shooting it's about him not playing hard. It was clear that gen had quit. Obviously you're not going to admit that but you know the truth. You know that he wasn't out there playing as hard as he could. It wasn't about him out there following some game plan, he quit. He wasn't trying to set teammates up, he wasn't hustling on defense or for lose balls and rebounds.

Your question is a deflection. This is about how he played in that 2nd half. Not just about him not shooting.
To be honest, I don't even give a fukk that he quit. It wasn't that big of a deal to me. The only reason it's relevant now is because of how he has passive aggressively trolled Lebron. This is being brought up to illustrate kobe's hypocrisy and how he has contradicted himself.

Lol, view it how you’d like but you’ve been made it clear since :hamster: that you can never be unbiased on the subject of Kobe. I might could skim the shyt you wrote but why waste my energy actually reading it. Whatever tho, that’s not the point of the argument here.

You and I just see how that Game 7 went differently. I don’t think he quit, at most he was probably frustrated that Phil wanted to stick to the plan and it wasn’t working. My question isn’t a deflection at all. Y’all always bring this game up as if y’all got the answers on what to do so enlighten us.

But here’s the part that I’m not getting. If you actually read Kobe’s comments, just as @SunZoo said, Kobe wasn’t making himself out to be someone that knew it all or had all the answers. He admitted that he found himself in a similar situation and the people he looked up to (Jordan/Phil) told him to figure it out. He ended up figuring it out. Why is it wrong for LeBron to get that same critique? LeBron top 5 OAT but he couldn’t squeeze out one win when those games were close?

Kobe was never perfect, let’s stop protecting LeBron like he is.
 

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the Suns were the better team. however, Kobe gets credit for his effort against a better team, whereas Lebron does not. Let's not forget that Kobe lost to the suns after being up 3-1, whereas Lebron came back against a much better team in 2016 IN THE FINALS.

Some consistency would be nice from you kobestans :cowgirl:
 

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Kobestans ALWAYS gotta pull dumb shyt like this, totally skipping over Lamar Odom, the #2 on the Lakers, but naming guys who were getting 10 minutes/game.

Lamar was a beast that series, averaging 19-11-5 on 50% shooting while playing great defense. But yo ass gonna pretend he doesn't exist.

Who were the Suns past Steve Nash?

Diaw
Marion
James Jones
Raja Bell
Tim Thomas

That ain't no all-world lineup, they're just a solid group of role players. Kobe could have won that series if he had taken the teamwork energy he brought in the first four games and extended it all series. Those same Suns damn near lost to the freaking Clippers in the next round.
 

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Lol, view it how you’d like but you’ve been made it clear since :hamster: that you can never be unbiased on the subject of Kobe. I might could skim the shyt you wrote but why waste my energy actually reading it. Whatever tho, that’s not the point of the argument here.
'm not biased when it comes to anybody. I'm a basketball fan and my loyalty is only to the truth has I seen it. My comments are all based in logic. Again, you're deflecting on some ad hominem shyt. It's you who has the bias.

You and I just see how that Game 7 went differently. I don’t think he quit, at most he was probably frustrated that Phil wanted to stick to the plan and it wasn’t working. My question isn’t a deflection at all. Y’all always bring this game up as if y’all got the answers on what to do so enlighten us.
How do you explain his lack of effort then? You keep trying to make this about the game plan when it's not about that. It's about kobe's palpable lack of effort in that second half. He wasn't following any game plan, he was just out there coasting. He wasn't getting playing hard on defense, he wasn't out there hustling for loose balls, and he damn sure wasn't out there trying to get his teammates going. He wasn't just out there pouting, going through the motions.

Your question is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what the strategy was because the issue is the lack of effort. He wasn't out there trying his hardest to do anything, shoot or set teammates up and get the money going. Dude had 1 assist, 4 rebs and 3 turnovers for the entire game. You can't even be honest with yourself.

But here’s the part that I’m not getting. If you actually read Kobe’s comments, just as @SunZoo said, Kobe wasn’t making himself out to be someone that knew it all or had all the answers. He admitted that he found himself in a similar situation and the people he looked up to (Jordan/Phil) told him to figure it out. He ended up figuring it out. Why is it wrong for LeBron to get that same critique? LeBron top 5 OAT but he couldn’t squeeze out one win when those games were close?

Kobe was never perfect, let’s stop protecting LeBron like he is.
The bold is lies. The only time that Kobe has been in a similar position to Lebron was this past season is when he wasn't making the playoffs or was being sent home after the first round. The only thing that he figured out is that he needed more talent around him.

Y'all are just full of shyt for no reason. We all know the truth. We know thy Kobe threw temper tantrums and demanded a trade when he was in a similar position as Lebron was this past season. His
"Lebron has no excuse, he supposed to figure it out" comments are just passive aggressive hate.

Nobody is saying Lebron I perfect. People are just acknowledging that the cavs didn't have the help around him to compete with the warriors.
Kobestans ALWAYS gotta pull dumb shyt like this, totally skipping over Lamar Odom, the #2 on the Lakers, but naming guys who were getting 10 minutes/game.

Lamar was a beast that series, averaging 19-11-5 on 50% shooting while playing great defense. But yo ass gonna pretend he doesn't exist.

Who were the Suns past Steve Nash?

Diaw
Marion
James Jones
Raja Bell
Tim Thomas

That ain't no all-world lineup, they're just a solid group of role players. Kobe could have won that series if he had taken the teamwork energy he brought in the first four games and extended it all series.
How much more different would this cavs team had been if they had that version of Odom in place of love? I say that Odom'a versatility and playmaking would've made this cavs team a notch better and a better matchup for the warriors.
 

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How much more different would this cavs team had been if they had that version of Odom in place of love? I say that Odom'a versatility and playmaking would've made this cavs team a notch better and a better matchup for the warriors.
You would have to bush the LeSystem though.:francis:
 

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You would have to bush the LeSystem though.:francis:
Why do y'all pretend that the most unselfish volume scoring perimeter player in league history is somehow too selfish to let others have the ball? The haters can't make up their minds as to whether they think Lebron is too passive or too selfish.
 
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