KYLE KUZMA: “KOBE IS THE GREATEST EVER, NO QUESTION”

[Karume]

U REALLY WANT MY ATTENTION, HUH?

YOU DO PROVIDE COMIC RELIEF

 

[Harry B]

He’s probably butt hurt but man the Lakers failed Kobe. Bruh had no team from 2005 to most of 2008 That’s like Prime Miami Heat era LeBron just wasting away on a garbage team.

He was playing in the pre “talents to Miami”-era. Or else they’d get two all stars quick as fukk.

 

[Harry B]

People switched teams far after their peaks since forever, that’s true. But are you acting like Kyrie joining KD now is that same as Melo joining KD in 2 years? I mean Melo is a legend and All-Star



Ill give you Rodman, that’s like Draymond joining Giannis and Middleton

 

[Sccit]

Wow, that's what, the 8th time you lied in the last two days? Don't you have to sacrifice something serious at this point to cover all that sin?



For starters, that's 7 years with Shaq and 7 years with Pau, which already is as many total years of star teammates as Bron had.


Glen Rice was a 31yo All-Star when he joined the Lakers. That year he had averaged 22-4-2 and led the Hornets to the ECSF where they took the Bulls to 5 games. So no, he wasn't washed.

Ron Artest was a 29yo All-Defensive when he joined the Lakers. That year he had averaged 17-5-3 and All-Defensive Team and led the Rockets to the WCSF where they took the Lakers to 7 games. So no, he wasn't washed.

Dwight Howard was a 26yo All-Star and 1st-team All-NBA when he joined the Lakers. That year he had averaged 21-15-2 and 2 blocks/game while making 1st-team All-Defensive and being an MVP candidate. So no, he wasn't washed.


All five (Shaq, Rice, Pau, Artest, Dwight) were #1 options in their prime who had led their teams to the playoffs when they joined the Lakers. Shaq, Pau, and Dwight continued to make All-Star and All-NBA teams after they joined the Lakers, while Rice/Artest didn't because they had to take lesser roles as #3 options. And that's without Gary Payton (20-4-8 All-Star when he joined the Lakers) and Karl Malone (21-8-5 when he joined the Lakers), who did decline a lot in their first year.

GLEN RICE RON ARTEST KARL MALONE GARY PAYTON STEVE NASH WAS IN THEIR PRIME WHEN THEY JOINED THE LAKERS?



EVEN DWIGHT WAS A SHELL OF HIS FORMER SELF

UR GROUPIEISM KNOWS NO BOUNDS MAN

 

[Karume]

LOL

 

[Professor Emeritus]

GLEN RICE RON ARTEST KARL MALONE GARY PAYTON STEVE NASH WAS IN THEIR PRIME WHEN THEY JOINED THE LAKERS?



EVEN DWIGHT WAS A SHELL OF HIS FORMER SELF

UR GROUPIEISM KNOWS NO BOUNDS MAN

Why do you have to make up more lies in order to make your argument? Where the fukk did I say that Malone, Payton, or Nash were in their prime when they joined the Lakers? You claimed that ONLY Shaq and Pau were in their prime, which was a lie.

Yes, 25yo Shaq, 31yo Rice, 27yo Pau, 29yo Artest, and 26yo Dwight were in their prime when they joined the Lakers. If you don't believe me, answer these questions:


Was Glen Rice a #1 leading his team to the ECSF a couple months before he joined the Lakers or not? Did he average 23-5-2 against the Bulls and take a game off MJ as his team's #1 or not? Had he just made his 3rd-straight All-Star game or not?

Was Ron Artest just 29yo when he went to the Lakers or not? Was he All-Defensive team and averaging his 5th-highest career scoring total that year or not? Did he lead the Rockets as they took Kobe's Lakers to 7 games in the WCSF that year or not? Are you saying that Kobe lost 3 playoff games to a team led by a completely washed Ron Artest?

Was Dwight just 26yo when he went to the Lakers or not? Was he 1st-team All-NBA and an MVP candidate that year or not? Did he proceed to make yet another All-NBA team with the Lakers or not? Are you willing to admit that NO ONE in the entire NBA was calling Dwight washed in 2012?


If you don't want to count Dwight cause he declined, then I guess you can't count Wade (outside of 2011), Bosh, or Love either cause they declined too, am I right? If you don't want to count Dwight cause he struggled with injuries, then I guess you can't count Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, or AD cause all of them struggled with injuries by their 2nd year too, am I right?

Or is it, "When players get hurt and decline while playing alongside Bron it's Bron's fault, but when players get hurt and decline when playing alongside Kobe it's their fault"?

 

[Karume]

Why do you have to make up more lies in order to make your argument? Where the fukk did I say that Malone, Payton, or Nash were in their prime when they joined the Lakers? You claimed that ONLY Shaq and Pau were in their prime, which was a lie.

Yes, 25yo Shaq, 31yo Rice, 27yo Pau, 29yo Artest, and 26yo Dwight were in their prime when they joined the Lakers. If you don't believe me, answer these questions:


Was Glen Rice a #1 leading his team to the ECSF a couple months before he joined the Lakers or not? Did he average 23-5-2 against the Bulls and take a game off MJ as his team's #1 or not? Had he just made his 3rd-straight All-Star game or not?

Was Ron Artest just 29yo when he went to the Lakers or not? Was he All-Defensive team and averaging his 5th-highest career scoring total that year or not? Did he lead the Rockets as they took Kobe's Lakers to 7 games in the WCSF that year or not? Are you saying that Kobe lost 3 playoff games to a team led by a completely washed Ron Artest?

Was Dwight just 26yo when he went to the Lakers or not? Was he 1st-team All-NBA and an MVP candidate that year or not? Did he proceed to make yet another All-NBA team with the Lakers or not? Are you willing to admit that NO ONE in the entire NBA was calling Dwight washed in 2012?


If you don't want to count Dwight cause he declined, then I guess you can't count Wade (outside of 2011), Bosh, or Love either cause they declined too, am I right? If you don't want to count Dwight cause he struggled with injuries, then I guess you can't count Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, or AD cause all of them struggled with injuries by their 2nd year too, am I right?

Or is it, "When players get hurt and decline while playing alongside Bron it's Bron's fault, but when players get hurt and decline when playing alongside Kobe it's their fault"?

LEBRON IS THE KING THEREFORE HE HAS MORE POWER AND RESPONSIBILITY THAN KOBE IS WHAT HE IS SAYING

 

[Professor Emeritus]

People switched teams far after their peaks since forever, that’s true. But are you acting like Kyrie joining KD now is that same as Melo joining KD in 2 years?

The claim was that superstars hadn't changed teams before and that superteams hadn't been formed before. Both of those claims were lies.

And you're fukking clueless about the NBA if you think Wilt, Kareem, Monroe, McAdoo, Moses, Barkley, Shaq, and CP3 were "far after their peaks" when they switched teams.

Not to mention Kareem got to the Lakers way before Magic (drafted) and James (drafted).....Scottie was drafted, Rodman was not a superstar, neither was Glen Rice, Malone and Payton were old, Nash was old and Dwight had beef with Kobe before arriving......and the fact Kobe, Magic and MJ never switched teams to chase talent.

Ignore that Wilt was in his absolute prime when he forced his way to the Sixers to join 3 HOF players and then forced his way to the Lakers just 2 years later to join two top-5 players (Baylor and West).

Ignore that Kareem was in his prime when he forced his way to Los Angeles, and that Magic said straight up that he only declared early for the draft because he wanted to join forces with Kareem.

Ignore that Moses was in his prime when he left the Rockets to join 3 HOFers including Dr. J who was a top-3 MVP candidate that year.

Ignore that Shaq was in his prime when he left the Magic to join a 53-win Lakers team that had just drafted Kobe.

Ignore Dwight completely even though he was a 26yo MVP candidate in his prime, beef or no beef.

And ignore all the superteams formed with drafts and trades because only rich white guys are allowed to form superteams, not black men controlling their own destiny, am I right?


I could have added Charles Barkley, Earl Monroe, Bob McAdoo, Bill Walton, and CP3, who all forced their way off of their original teams early on too. Superstars have left their teams when they didn't have enough talent for all of league history.


Kobe, Magic, and MJ never switched team to chase talent because they HAD great talent on their teams. They never had to play for shytty-ass franchises like the Cleveland Cavs. Why would they leave their team when they already had a "superteam" or knew they could get another "superteam" soon?

 

[madness]

The claim was that superstars hadn't changed teams before and that superteams hadn't been formed before. Both of those claims were lies.

And you're fukking clueless about the NBA if you think Wilt, Kareem, Monroe, McAdoo, Moses, Barkley, Shaq, and CP3 were "far after their peaks" when they switched teams.





Ignore that Wilt was in his absolute prime when he forced his way to the Sixers to join 3 HOF players and then forced his way to the Lakers just 2 years later to join two top-5 players (Baylor and West).

Ignore that Kareem was in his prime when he forced his way to Los Angeles, and that Magic said straight up that he only declared early for the draft because he wanted to join forces with Kareem.

Ignore that Moses was in his prime when he left the Rockets to join 3 HOFers including Dr. J who was a top-3 MVP candidate that year.

Ignore that Shaq was in his prime when he left the Magic to join a 53-win Lakers team that had just drafted Kobe.

Ignore Dwight completely even though he was a 26yo MVP candidate in his prime, beef or no beef.

And ignore all the superteams formed with drafts and trades because only rich white guys are allowed to form superteams, not black men controlling their own destiny, am I right?


I could have added Charles Barkley, Earl Monroe, Bob McAdoo, Bill Walton, and CP3, who all forced their way off of their original teams early on too. Superstars have left their teams when they didn't have enough talent for all of league history.


Kobe, Magic, and MJ never switched team to chase talent because they HAD great talent on their teams. They never had to play for shytty-ass franchises like the Cleveland Cavs. Why would they leave their team when they already had a "superteam" or knew they could get another "superteam" soon?

 

[madness]

that ma'sissy don't ever stand on his own feet. he piggy backs off of other posters. He's a grown man hiding behind his father's leg forever . fukking fakkit manchild

 

[madness]

Exactly. Same nikka who was dapping up posts calling Kobe a rapist a few months ago and then wanted to deny it until 2Quik called him out and then he started joking about it at least most of the kobe haters like Rhakim and Jack keep it strictly basketball since the accident

This female is still crying
from now on I'm gonna dap every post I know will make you angry

 

[murksiderock]

How does that make him the GOAT. Really seems like he may have been throwing shade towards LeBron because the stats don't dismount Jordan from his GOAT throne, and Bron is the common denominator in all three of those stats.

It doesn't, Kuz just talking and Bron haters just slurping...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but objectively Kobe has no real case as "the" singular greatest player of all time...

•He was a late bloomer, while the guys with legitimate claims all entered The League destroying shyt from Day One;

•the overwhelming majority of his great moments are from the regular season; he's a guy with a weak postseason and Finals record of performance compared to the guys with legitimate claims;

•his resume as a #1 option is weak compared to the guys with legitimate claims;

•his dominance/takeover mode was on a lower scale than the guys with legitimate claims, which ties into him being a lesser postseason player than said guys and more of a cat known for dominating regular seasons;

The list keeps going. Everybody understands he's easily and clearly one of the greatest players to ever lace em, but anyone stating he's "the" greatest ever is hyperbolic and grading Kobe differently than other guys. If Kobe and everyone else are all judged by the exact same set of criteria and standards it's patently clear he has no case as the singular greatest ever...

He's one of the most popular players ever and dudes stay conflating that with his degree of greatness...

Act like kobe didn't chase off shaq brehs.

Only 3 rings with shaq is an underachievement if we're bring real

I wouldn't call that necessarily an underachievement. Russ and KD were together 8 years and won ZERO, that's a massive underachievement that somehow gets missed from conversation every time Durant is a topic; he only gets gassed for his 2 in 3 years with Steph. By the way, Durant has also won 0 in 4 years with Harden...

We can easily make the argument Durant has done less with more than any other All-Timer ever...

Compared to other All-Time duos:

•Mike and Pippen won 6 in 9 years together

•LeBron won 2 in 4 years with Wade and alot of heads call this an underachievement

•Kareem and Oscar won 1 in 4 years but this never gets called an underachievement, he gets heralded for winning 5 in 10 years with Magic

•Wilt won just 1 in 5 years with West, this is a significant underachievement that isn't brought up simply because modern basketball heads don't really know basketball history pre-1980 and don't understand the hype and narratives on the Wilt/West/Baylor Lakers

•Logo and Baylor were together 8 years before Wilt and won ZERO, and were together 11 years total and won ZERO, and no I don't count Baylor as a champion because he started the '72 season, he retired like 11 games into the season and averaged like 8ppg, he was not a great player at that point regardless and winning that ring doesn't shift his legacy

•Bird and McHale won 3 but were together longer (12 years) than Shaq and Kobe and no one says they underachieved

•Shaq and Wade got 1 in 4 years together

•Duncan and Robinson got just 2 in 6 years together and nobody says they underachieved; Duncan also had Kawhi for 5 years with only 1 ring and no one calls that an underachievement

•Dream and Chuck had each other for 4 years and won ZERO yet no one says they underachieved

•Russell won 6 in 7 years with Cousy and 6 in 7 years with Hondo, but if we're holding everyone to their standard everyone in history has underachieved

•Malone and Stockton won ZERO in 18 years together, this is quite easily the greatest underachievement in basketball history

•Moses and Doc won just 1 in 4 years together

•Garnett and Pierce were together 7 years and have just one title to show for it

•Dirk and Nash had each other for 6 years and won zero championships; Dirk had Kidd for 4 years and won just 1

•Frazier and Reed had each other 7 years and won just 2 in that span

•Westbrook and Harden had 0 in 4 years together

.............

So I mean, in the context of All-Time duos, Shaq and Kobe did great. There's alota muhfukkas who won zero or won less in lengthy time together...

I'm not of the belief they necessarily win more if Shaq was more motivated because it's not like the competition would just stop getting better. They maxed out their ceiling, the only underachievement is losing to Detroit. That shyt was embarrassing but besides that they were fine, especially compared to other All-Time duos...

 

[Sterling Archer]

Glad that debate is over.
I’m sure basketball fans will never revisit this again.

 

[10bandz]

This female is still crying
from now on I'm gonna dap every post I know will make you angry

Up at 3am posting at me huh

fukking loser

 

[10bandz]

@murksiderock also out here dapping up posts using Kobe’s death as a joke

#usualsuspects