KYLE KUZMA: “KOBE IS THE GREATEST EVER, NO QUESTION”
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did that post hit a nerve?
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What THE fukk are you talking about? Why is it every time I see your name @JACK! or @Rhakim name in my quotes I know it’s about to be some Bron slurping going on. It’s getting to the point that I’m not even gonna respond. Y’all gotta learn to be objective because if it’s obvious to me it gotta be obvious to other people. I’m not arguing about who’s better between Bron and Kobe. Obviously I prefer Kobe. But that wasn’t my argument because it doesn’t make any difference to the point I was making. MY POINT is if Kobe or other players were allowed to team up with various superstars like LeBron has, their careers would’ve blew Jordan’s/Magic’s/Bird’s out of the water. They didn’t because super teams weren’t a thing before. Part of it is the era LeBron plays in which prioritizes super teams. Part of it is LeBron being shameless enough to do it with no embarrassment. Part of it is the league wanting to sell tickets and find a replacement for Jordan and Kobe so they looked the other way while LeBron acquires player after player so they can ensure he gets to the Finals and ratings remain high. Whatever. But I know that eats retired players up who watching this nonsense because they could’ve did what he’s doing and got rings. When AI got slaughtered by the Lakers in 2001, he didn’t go join up with McGrady and Garnett to make a superteam but in hindsight based on what’s happening today, he should’ve. And Kobe like I said could’ve made super teams from 2004 onward. You’re a biased homer if you think Kobe joining up with Wade/Bosh then Love/Kyrie then AD/Russ is not winning multiple rings. Bruh would’ve got 5 rings from that alone without adding in the Shaq years.
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Ozymandeas
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I hope it’s another universe where Kobe got drafted to the Spurs. They would’ve obliterated the Bulls as the GOAT dynasty. Duncan and Kobe would’ve legit ran the league from 1999 to 2014. The basketball gods knew it was too much and their personalities fit together too well
Pop would’ve been considered the GOAT coach too 
Because you're always displaying a complete lack of knowledge about the sport. Trust me, I would prefer not to engage with you and the legion of idiots on here that routinely have anti-Bron circle jerks but the posting is so surface level that I can't help but counter it. If anything, I'm trying to educate ya'll. Lebron played 4 seasons with Wade/Bosh, 2 healthy seasons with Kyrie/Love, and 1 healthy season with AD. He's got 4 championships out of 7 seasons. That's 7 out of 18 seasons playing on a "super-team". The rest of his career he was playing on teams that wouldn't win 20 games without him. Jordan, Kobe, Duncan, etc never spent more than a season or two playing with the level of talent that Bron played with for the majority of his career.
Honestly, if you seriously believe Kobe would have won 5 rings playing on the teams that Bron has been on then not much is left to be said. You simply don't understand the sport that you're watching. Kobe is not winning in 2015 when Kyrie and Love goes down, in 2016 against the 73-9 Warriors, in 2017 against the KD Warriors, and in 2018 against the KD Warriors. He was barely in the league at age 35, he's not winning a championship with AD at that same age. At best, he wins one or two with Wade and Bosh before Wade's knees are shot.
well 1. You skipped over the whole draft and build a team point which is obvious ... just as the thunder did
2. You missed the entire point of the beginning of the thread where Shaq was actually the bytch in the situation and admitted to it from his own mouth
3. You just called Dwight coming off surgery and 38 year old Steve Nash playing offball some sort of game changing thing
4. Lebron was trying to recruit Steve Nash to Miami even before this ... so what have you been really watching? Nash is my favorite player dog lol
LeBron James Is Recruiting Steve Nash To Join The Heat So They Can 'Help Each Other' Win Their First Ring
5. Magic played Center when Kareem went down and secured the ring as a Rookie ... I dunno how you pretend thats not impressive, thats more impressive than Kobe and Lebron
sure Kobe staying with Shaq would have watered the rings down... same as if Lebron played with Shaq and won
you trying to reverse acting like a bytch and project it on my post... I stated immediately that I fukking hated Kobe and Shaq ... and the Malone/Payton shyt was ultra corny
Lebron had more times to build a team and play with people who are known to win and be reliable and Kobe wasnt.... If you even watched NBA there was a time where cats didnt even wanna play with Kobe and Kobe didnt reach out to persuade them either.
10 out of 18 is moving goalposts too because you are going to deflect and pick and choose what constitutes an allstar... since you've already avoided injuries and age as a barometer for Dwight and Nash being on the Lakers
Every team KD played on was stacked, Lebron had some bad moments in Cleveland but carried those early teams.... Kobe had extreme highs and lows with his squads.
Teams Like the Bulls, Bucks, Spurs are mostly homegrown squads that were right under being completely stacked. Spurs are the best example, nobody is blaming an organization for developing 3 hall of fame players and building chemistry
thats alot different than begging for Lillard, Harden, Dwight, Nash, Cousins, AD, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Wade, Kyrie, Melo, Westbrook, Kevin Love, Derozan and Lowry, Kawhi, PG, Cp3 to come play on your squad that's already got 2 of the top 10 players on it ... make that make sense.
nikkas stacked teams and still got blown out by the spurs running backdoor cuts in the lowest rated modern day finals
KD been on stacked squads and doesnt even make the finals ... make it make sense... how much more help do you need? At least Kobe just took his L and moved on with it
imagine asking for AD, Melo, Cp3, Patty Mills and Westbrook in the same year and its cool
but you transform into Kobe and you get Jeremey Lin, Carlos Boozer, Chris Kaman and Nick Young instead
shyt is nowhere near the same thing ... Lebron would ship Pau Gasol and Derrick Fisher straight the fukk out
but like I said both dudes are way different... you dont build a team around them the same way... Lebron would actually fit way better with Shaq because size obviously but he would get Shaq the touches he wanted. Lebron is more like Magic to where Kobe is more like Jordan
you tried to use Nash at 38 with a broken back playing off ball as some kind of determining factor of elite shyt
1. Lebron was on the Cavs for six seasons and saw his front office draft Luke Jackson over Iggy and prioritize JJ Hickson over Amare Stoudemire. He would have won a championship by 25 if he wouldn't have been drafted to one of the worst front offices in all of sports. In 2009, Bron won 66 games without a player that was selected as an all-star next to him. You don't think he would have won a championship if his team would have gotten him a player on Pau's level? The same Pau that played at a similar level as Kobe in the 2010 finals.
2. Doesn't matter what you call Shaq, he was the best player on that team and it wasn't even remotely close. In the 2000 finals, Shaq averaged 38 PPG while Kobe averaged 15. Shaq left the Lakers and won a championship at age 34 two seasons later with a 23 year old Wade. Replace Kobe with T-mac, Wade, Harden, hell even prime VC and the results would likely be the same. Not taking anything away from Kobe but that's just how dominant Shaq was during his Laker years.
3. Yeah I'm acting like that was a game-changer because you folks would have done the same if Lebron teamed up with them
You same dudes think the 2020 Lakers were a super-team because they had a washed Rondo and Dwight, ya'll dudes are crying about the Lakers next season because 37 year old Bron is teaming with a 33 year old Westbrook that has been on 4 teams in 3 seasons. Ya'll would have acted like Bron teaming with 26 year old Dwight was the worst thing to happen in NBA history.. But of course, now context matters because it's Kobe and not Bron.4.
Nothing to say about that. That is corny but got nothing to do with what has actually transpired on the court.5. That's cool but Kareem played 5 of 6 games that series and averaged a 33, 13, and 5 blocks. That Laker team had another 20 PPG scorer and another player that averaged 15 PPG. Magic played on super-teams his entire career and played in a conference completely devoid of talent. Ya'll juelz about the 2000s East but the 1980s West was significantly worse. Ya'll discredit Bron for beating a 73-9 team with Kyrie and Love but got nothing to say about Magic winning with Kareem and Worthy.
10 of 18 seasons playing without an all-NBA caliber player.. The criteria is clear but even so you could broaden it to say no player that was even considered a top 25 player at the time.
2003-2009 Cavs: Not a single player on those squads that could be considered among the top 25 players in the league.
2015 Cavs: Played much of the playoffs and all of the finals without Love and Kyrie.
2018 Cavs: Not a single player that could be considered among the top 25 players in the league.
2019 Lakers: Not a single player that could be considered among the top 25 players in the league.
You mention the 2014 finals without even mentioning the disparity between the two teams. Wade was cooked, he put up 15 PPG on 50 TS%. The Spurs fourth option averaged 14.4 PPG on 65 TS%. The teams weren't even remotely close but ya'll love to name drop when you weren't even watching at the time. Lebron dominated offensively in that series and put up an easy 28 on 70 TS%. He was much better against the Spurs in 2014 than he was in 2013 when the Heat won. Replace 2014 Wade with 2021 Middleton and the Heat are probably the favorites in that series
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Elim Garak
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I don't really think kobe is better than lebron and I certainly don't think he's better than Jordan. Kuzma I'm not sure what to think of him.
Elim Garak
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People really trying to downplay Pau and Odoms talent lmao.
Greenhornet
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yeah david stern was well ... strict. I'm not gonna call him a piece of shyt lol
adam silver is dope in his own way, cause he's like
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fukk it" .... I used to think games in the playoffs and series were drug out for more views and tickets but Adam is just like "its whatever" its completely different with commissioners. Bron did great, Kobe did great and Jordan too. But the league turned on Kobe something serious... he had to play his way out of it... even at the end of his time, before his final game.... Kobe was written off and people straight refused to give him his props. It's crazy because he is easily the most polarizing figure right after Jordan and the bridge between and overlapping Lebron. People even act like Magic doesnt exist anymore its crazy. And I'm not even gonna front, I hate the Celtics... but I love Larry Bird. When Kobe was alive they stopped fukking with him and gave the crown to other players and veto'd his trades and shyt lol Who was the last dope person he got? the corpse of Ron Artest and fukking Andrew Bynum? lol Dwight was there all fukked up, listening to Kobe but at the same time not. He should have just told Kobe, fukk you I aint playing till I'm healthy. That was also the same time Dwight said "I want more touches" same as Shaq when he was known to be trash offensively. Imagine a dude you beat in the finals coming to your team and then demanding shyt
Here's a controversial opinion ... When Lakers traded Shaq, it was great... Shaq didnt have many years left after that anyways and then started team hopping anyways. I should know being a Suns fan, he came and absolutely clogged the paint and ruined our chemistry and slowed the pace. Making Kobe fukking hate us even more than he already did
yeah david stern was well ... strict. I'm not gonna call him a piece of shyt lol
adam silver is dope in his own way, cause he's like
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its completely different with commissioners. Bron did great, Kobe did great and Jordan too. But the league turned on Kobe something serious... he had to play his way out of it... even at the end of his time, before his final game.... Kobe was written off and people straight refused to give him his props. It's crazy because he is easily the most polarizing figure right after Jordan and the bridge between and overlapping Lebron. People even act like Magic doesnt exist anymore its crazy. And I'm not even gonna front, I hate the Celtics... but I love Larry Bird. When Kobe was alive they stopped fukking with him and gave the crown to other players and veto'd his trades and shyt lol Who was the last dope person he got? the corpse of Ron Artest and fukking Andrew Bynum? lol Dwight was there all fukked up, listening to Kobe but at the same time not. He should have just told Kobe, fukk you I aint playing till I'm healthy. That was also the same time Dwight said "I want more touches" same as Shaq when he was known to be trash offensively. Imagine a dude you beat in the finals coming to your team and then demanding shyt
Here's a controversial opinion ... When Lakers traded Shaq, it was great... Shaq didnt have many years left after that anyways and then started team hopping anyways. I should know being a Suns fan, he came and absolutely clogged the paint and ruined our chemistry and slowed the pace. Making Kobe fukking hate us even more than he already did
that's not controversial at all. In hindsight everyone knows it was the right move, and Jerry and Jeanie never expressed doubts about it. The Shaq trade got us Odom and the pau trade also had a direct line to the Shaq trade. The issue with the trade was just that Dr Buss promised Kobe he'd rebuild quicker, and letting Jim reject the Kidd for Bynum trade set Kobe off. But getting rid of Shaq instead of giving him a 3 year $100M deal was definitely the right move. Shaq was able to get one more but we were able to get two