Kyrie Irving And The Death Of The Ghetto Superstar

[Mr swag]

His a superstar?

 

[J-Fire]

still to this day some of the riches and influential of black people are still in the entertainment industry. Oprah...richest black woman built her fortune on the back of entertainment.

Sports and entertainment still dominates the black elite if you will.


It pisses me off a little bit that apple, google, Microsoft, facebook, twitter etc. wasn't invented by someone black. not a single one!?!!? You got these college dropouts making a fortune in something that is still technical and when a black person drops out it's to pursue sports and entertainment. How often does a black computer engineer or what-have-you drop out of college to create something like a facebook?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

still to this day some of the riches and influential of black people are still in the entertainment industry. Oprah...richest black woman built her fortune on the back of entertainment.

Sports and entertainment still dominates the black elite if you will.


It pisses me off a little bit that apple, google, Microsoft, facebook, twitter etc. wasn't invented by someone black. not a single one!?!!? You got these college dropouts making a fortune in something that is still technical and when a black person drops out it's to pursue sports and entertainment. How often does a black computer engineer or what-have-you drop out of college to create something like a facebook?

Give it time. It will happen. Black people have only had access to equal paying jobs for 30 years and have only been educated for about 90-100.

The other side had a 400 year head start. Gates, Jobs, Dorsey, Ellison, etc all came from upper middle class backgrounds so to speak and they always had access to resources which allowed them to use their creatvity and be as innovative as possible...These guys were going to the best schools in their respective states since junior high.....They never had to worry about getting guap, they just had to focus on being an innovator trying to bring their dreams into fruition

The one thing with hood cats is that we're always gon be focusing on chasing paper...We never had the leisure to sit back and be innovative from an entrepreneurial standpoint because we cannont financially afford to.....


Besides...Blackplanet was the blueprint for myspace and so on.......

So in a sense, you can say Omar Wasow is one of the fathers of social networking.

He's a mulatto and all, but we still claim him....You know how we do.....

 

[NYC Rebel]

Give it time. It will happen. Black people have only had access to equal paying jobs for 30 years and have only been educated for about 90-100.

The other side had a 400 year head start. Gates, Jobs, Dorsey, Ellison, etc all came from upper middle class backgrounds so to speak and they always had access to resources which allowed them to use their creatvity and be as innovative as possible...These guys were going to the best schools in their respective states since junior high.....They never had to worry about getting guap, they just had to focus on being an innovator trying to bring their dreams into fruition

The one thing with hood cats is that we're always gon be focusing on chasing paper...We'll never had the leisure to sit back and be innovative from an entrepreneurial standpoint because we cannont financially afford to.....

Exactly. Which makes me wonder who the author was talking to about "too many middle class players are in the league." Niqqas from the hood don't even have conversations on class like that.

Corny ass hell...

 

[philmonroe]

still to this day some of the riches and influential of black people are still in the entertainment industry. Oprah...richest black woman built her fortune on the back of entertainment.

Sports and entertainment still dominates the black elite if you will.


It pisses me off a little bit that apple, google, Microsoft, facebook, twitter etc. wasn't invented by someone black. not a single one!?!!? You got these college dropouts making a fortune in something that is still technical and when a black person drops out it's to pursue sports and entertainment. How often does a black computer engineer or what-have-you drop out of college to create something like a facebook?

I never knew why we cared how they make it. White folks fukking with some of yalls mental something serious. If your good at entertainment fukk it not everybody is going to make the next google, microsoft, and honestly most people ain't even on that computer shyt in that way regardless of race. They use the shyt that cats make but as far as creating it nah but I really need blacks to stop low key worrying about what other races think about them and just be great. You don't see white entertainers wholesale on some I wish more whites would create this they on some I see my lane and got damn it I'm staying in it. End of the day money is money esp when talking legal money. fukk all that I can get paid doing entertainment but since I don't want people to look at me some type of way and/or be respected (by mother fukkers you don't even know majority of the time at that) I'm going to be regular 9 to 5 cat with a respectable job/career. That shyt stupid imo and thats how to many blacks look at it. I see/hear it all the time when talking to people about stuff like this. fukk these other people do you.

 

[calh45]

I never knew why we cared how they make it. White folks fukking with some of yalls mental something serious. If your good at entertainment fukk it not everybody is going to make the next google, microsoft, and honestly most people ain't even on that computer shyt in that way regardless of race. They use the shyt that cats make but as far as creating it nah but I really need blacks to stop low key worrying about what other races think about them and just be great. You don't see white entertainers wholesale on some I wish more whites would create this they on some I see my lane and got damn it I'm staying in it. End of the day money is money esp when talking legal money. fukk all that I can get paid doing entertainment but since I don't want people to look at me some type of way and/or be respected (by mother fukkers you don't even know majority of the time at that) I'm going to be regular 9 to 5 cat with a respectable job/career. That shyt stupid imo and thats how to many blacks look at it. I see/hear it all the time when talking to people about stuff like this. fukk these other people do you.

I dapped this, but at the same time it's different for black folks altogether. We got family members that were alive during a time when they weren't able to share a bathroom or a school or a bus with white people. We had to come together to fight an institution that was programmed to keep us down. I don't think there's a bad thing in cheering for ourselves as a group of people to break barriers when we were publicly on par with dogs 60 years ago. Our "freedom" in this country is still very young.

I get annoyed that powers that be try to group all of us together as a negative. The success they give to the individual and they group all of the negatives to the entire race. My annoyance with this article is the fact that the writer, who is black, is pushing this thought as well. The notion that street cred is limited to blacks in the hood is kinda ridiculous. That became mainstream because Nike wanted to sell shoes and pushed because of it and he only glanced by this then focused on "our" mindset. We're only 12% of the population. We dominate sports and entertainment as players, but that doesn't mean we control the narrative. The NBA could've shut that down at any point, but they let it ride because they had a larger market that was fascinated by it. The instant AI's way became bad for the league then out came the dress codes etc. The hood becomes part of culture because the people making decisions allow it to.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're responding to one person. Its clear to everyone else that he was parlaying Carlton's upbringing. Nothing about that article going over "folks" head.

It's an attempt to get deep but really isn't.

I know it's clear to you. And it's hardly an attempt to get deep, at all. But I'm guessing the Kobe stan who posted that and at least one other didn't get it. shyt was only posted 2 mins after the thread was made.

 

[OG Talk]

I dapped this, but at the same time it's different for black folks altogether. We got family members that were alive during a time when they weren't able to share a bathroom or a school or a bus with white people. We had to come together to fight an institution that was programmed to keep us down. I don't think there's a bad thing in cheering for ourselves as a group of people to break barriers when we were publicly on par with dogs 60 years ago. Our "freedom" in this country is still very young.

I get annoyed that powers that be try to group all of us together as a negative. The success they give to the individual and they group all of the negatives to the entire race. My annoyance with this article is the fact that the writer, who is black, is pushing this thought as well. The notion that street cred is limited to blacks in the hood is kinda ridiculous. That became mainstream because Nike wanted to sell shoes and pushed because of it and he only glanced by this then focused on "our" mindset. We're only 12% of the population. We dominate sports and entertainment as players, but that doesn't mean we control the narrative. The NBA could've shut that down at any point, but they let it ride because they had a larger market that was fascinated by it. The instant AI's way became bad for the league then out came the dress codes etc. The hood becomes part of culture because the people making decisions allow it to.

I don't agree with the majority of his piece but he did pass the responsiblity around (maybe not equally enough for your tastes which is understandable)

We all wanted a slice of the devil’s pie. How can anyone blame us? So ghetto culture, chock full of intoxicating tales of “they’ll never take me alive” and “ I gotta feed my kids” soliloquies of chaos, became the most regarded celebration of blackness. Even outside of the ghetto.

College kids who had never seen the inner city except via the words of Tom Brokaw, became enraptured by it. The popularity made anything that the hustlers valued (cars, clothes, women, music, basketball, etc.) trendy.

Basketball had already been a mainstay in inner-city communities for decades, but when the hood blew up, it took b-ball with it, and everything else: the slang, the clothes (baggy pants was originally a prison look) and the rep. Being from the streets became, in many circles, the ultimate example of your bonafides. Project guys with low SAT scores became the thing. He became a hero, or an anti-hero; either way, he was exalted. And the hood got the reupholster treatment.

College basketball specialized in recruiting these kinds of players, especially as guards. They were typically quick, steely and hungry.


I think he should have specifically called out white run companies like Reebok, ESPN, And 1 and Slam Magazine (who tried their hardest to make their covers and packaging look like The Source during the Marbury/Iverson era)

And I've personally heard white coaches and recruiters equate a prospects "toughness" from what area of town he grew up in... Even Bill Rafferty would wax poetic about the city kids who mastered a move on the "play ground"


Blacks weren't the only ones promoting this mentality..

 

[calh45]

I don't agree with the majority of his piece but he did pass the responsiblity around (maybe not equally enough for your tastes which is understandable)

We all wanted a slice of the devil’s pie. How can anyone blame us? So ghetto culture, chock full of intoxicating tales of “they’ll never take me alive” and “ I gotta feed my kids” soliloquies of chaos, became the most regarded celebration of blackness. Even outside of the ghetto.

College kids who had never seen the inner city except via the words of Tom Brokaw, became enraptured by it. The popularity made anything that the hustlers valued (cars, clothes, women, music, basketball, etc.) trendy.

Basketball had already been a mainstay in inner-city communities for decades, but when the hood blew up, it took b-ball with it, and everything else: the slang, the clothes (baggy pants was originally a prison look) and the rep. Being from the streets became, in many circles, the ultimate example of your bonafides. Project guys with low SAT scores became the thing. He became a hero, or an anti-hero; either way, he was exalted. And the hood got the reupholster treatment.

College basketball specialized in recruiting these kinds of players, especially as guards. They were typically quick, steely and hungry.


I think he should have specifically called out white run companies like Reebok, ESPN, And 1 and Slam Magazine (who tried their hardest to make their covers and packaging look like The Source during the Marbury/Iverson era)

And I've personally heard white coaches and recruiters equate a prospects "toughness" from what area of town he grew up in... Even Bill Rafferty would wax poetic about the city kids who mastered a move on the "play ground"


Blacks weren't the only ones promoting this mentality..

That passage is only part of the story. I can only say this about my life, but almost every adult in my life HATED that whole caricature. It's exactly what I said in that the minority (athletes talking like a$$holes and sagging their pants) became the representation for everyone at that time. All it took was one explanation of what saggin pants actually meant for anyone I knew to cut that shyt out. I have the most hood aunts in the world and both of them would threaten to beat me and my cousins ass for getting out of line with anyone. I had family in gangs threatening to beat my ass if I ever thought about joining one. Hood never meant ignorant, but it became ignorant and if he's going to attack the thought then he should tell the whole story.

He's not even telling the entire story about black people. He's just saying we all got swept up in it. We all wanted our slice of devil's pie That's an indictment against everyone and anyone not familiar with how it really is will take that shyt as fact when a lot of that wasn't. Everyone wasn't trying to slang crack. Maybe the "we" in that sentence is referring to "college" folks, but in my opinion you have to be clear about that. That's a dangerous word to be throwing around without saying which group it belongs to.

 

[J-Fire]

That passage is only part of the story. I can only say this about my life, but almost every adult in my life HATED that whole caricature. It's exactly what I said in that the minority (athletes talking like a$$holes and sagging their pants) became the representation for everyone at that time. All it took was one explanation of what saggin pants actually meant for anyone I knew to cut that shyt out. I have the most hood aunts in the world and both of them would threaten to beat me and my cousins ass for getting out of line with anyone. I had family in gangs threatening to beat my ass if I ever thought about joining one. Hood never meant ignorant, but it became ignorant and if he's going to attack the thought then he should tell the whole story.

He's not even telling the entire story about black people. He's just saying we all got swept up in it. We all wanted our slice of devil's pie That's an indictment against everyone and anyone not familiar with how it really is will take that shyt as fact when a lot of that wasn't. Everyone wasn't trying to slang crack. Maybe the "we" in that sentence is referring to "college" folks, but in my opinion you have to be clear about that. That's a dangerous word to be throwing around without saying which group it belongs to.

That's part of it. But you missing the middle class suburban black having the same identity as a brotha in the hood to be black. White people ain't gotta act like the trailer park to be white...whiteness is not questioned.

 

[courtdog]

He isn't talking about Carlton's game, he's talking about Carlton's background. I see that went over other folks' heads too.

You gonna have to accept the fact that the majority of people here are mentally retarded. TV is known as the idiot box, but I think the internet has a similar affect on certain people. I see ppl miss read shyt on here everyday
You try to explain it to them, they fight you for it

 

[courtdog]

Give it time. It will happen. Black people have only had access to equal paying jobs for 30 years and have only been educated for about 90-100.

The other side had a 400 year head start. Gates, Jobs, Dorsey, Ellison, etc all came from upper middle class backgrounds so to speak and they always had access to resources which allowed them to use their creatvity and be as innovative as possible...These guys were going to the best schools in their respective states since junior high.....They never had to worry about getting guap, they just had to focus on being an innovator trying to bring their dreams into fruition

The one thing with hood cats is that we're always gon be focusing on chasing paper...We never had the leisure to sit back and be innovative from an entrepreneurial standpoint because we cannont financially afford to.....


Besides...Blackplanet was the blueprint for myspace and so on.......

So in a sense, you can say Omar Wasow is one of the fathers of social networking.

He's a mulatto and all, but we still claim him....You know how we do.....

Wow, what you just wrote is true and false. Slaves were not educated. Black people not being educated like you said is beyond false. And even slaves were educated, just not in europeon history. How da fukk does an uneducated person make up "Waaaaade in the water" if they was totally ignorant?
Now the struggles people of color had to deal with, you on point with that
But the whole "we didn't have time to invent" is bullshyt. Everything would get stolen in a era where you didn't even have basic human rights.
We've always been inventors, that is not something NEW to african americans. Reading your reply seems like you never knew we come from a culture of thinkers/inventors/leaders. Most of learning today is based on shyt taken from Africa bruh, thats all I'm sayin. You worded it in a way that seems kinda ignorant...

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Wow, what you just wrote is true and false. Slaves were not educated. Black people not being educated like you said is beyond false. And even slaves were educated, just not in europeon history. How da fukk does an uneducated person make up "Waaaaade in the water" if they was totally ignorant?
Now the struggles people of color had to deal with, you on point with that
But the whole "we didn't have time to invent" is bullshyt. Everything would get stolen in a era where you didn't even have basic human rights.
We've always been inventors, that is not something NEW to african americans. Reading your reply seems like you never knew we come from a culture of thinkers/inventors/leaders. Most of learning today is based on shyt taken from Africa bruh, thats all I'm sayin. You worded it in a way that seems kinda ignorant...

I am a firm believer that reading comprehension and discernment are gifts now and I should not mistake that everyone has this ability.....

The poster I replied too referred to the digital revolution and how we are absent in it, unlike sports and entertainment. Also, I never said that we were never inventors, but the poster did not refer to inventors perse, but innovators.

He specifically pointed out movers & shakers in the world of technology over the last 30 years and I simply pointed out the outliers and shared backgrounds that contributed to their success, none of which was applicable to negroes as a community until 15-20 years ago...

Education is not synonymous with intelligence and I assumed that there was an implied consent that most posters understood this but this does not appear to be the case for you....

Slaves did not have access to contemporary\comparable schooling until about 20 years after the emancipation. You mention Wade in the Water as an example but failed to mention that we were probably at a 95% illiteracy rate then and the song had to be taught orally and the music was learned by ear because we did not know how to read and write......
A sign of genius?...Absolutely....Educated?.....NO

Education is the PROCESS of imparting, acquiring, and implementing knowledge and we were not afforded this opportunity until we were able to attend school on a regular basis........Which was about 100 years ago........

Unable to build wealth due to segregration, Jim Crow, domestic terrorism in the form instituionalized racism, lack of EDUCATION, etc, prevented us from building not only the wealth, but the NETWORK needed to give our young ones the opportunity to put all of their energy into their ideas and allowing them to flourish..

 

[Wacky D]

lol @ "carlton banks with handles".

if i had a dollar for everytime somebody from east orange was wrongfully considered a rich suburban......

 

[tremonthustler1]

lol @ "carlton banks with handles".

if i had a dollar for everytime somebody from east orange was wrongfully considered a rich suburban......

EAST Orange is hood.

WEST Orange is actually really nice. Their gated communities got some nice houses. West Orange got a good sized minority population though. Real diverse, people that got money that still work like crazy for it.