Kyrie vs Wall

[bxrfan]

While Mike Conley isn't as good as Kyrie or Wall he's he's easily a championship level point guard and no lower than 7-8 when it comes to a top ten list.

Also he's only 28 and didn't tear his achilles so I'm not sure why folks are saying he's old and coming back from a devastating injury. He does get dinged up but I wouldn't say anymore so than Kyrie's been the last few years.

 

[Originalgangsta317]

While Mike Conley isn't as good as Kyrie or Wall he's he's easily a championship level point guard and no lower than 7-8 when it comes to a top ten list.

Also he's only 28 and didn't tear his achilles so I'm not sure why folks are saying he's old and coming back from a devastating injury. He does get dinged up but I wouldn't say anymore so than Kyrie's been the last few years.

I don't know breh Mike Conley might not be a top 8 PG

Russ
Steph
Cp3
Wall
Kyrie
Dame
Lowry

That's 7 clearly better than Conley

8 and beyond is where it gets tricky so he may fall in line there but it'll depend on who you ask.

 

[NatiboyB]

I don't know breh Mike Conley might not be a top 8 PG

Russ
Steph
Cp3
Wall
Kyrie
Dame
Lowry

That's 7 clearly better than Conley

8 and beyond is where it gets tricky so he may fall in line there but it'll depend on who you ask.

yeah because Kemba, Isiah, Teague, Bledsoe, can all arguably end up in the argument for 8

 

[Originalgangsta317]

yeah because Kemba, Isiah, Teague, Bledsoe, can all arguably end up in the argument for 8

Yup

Especially Bledsoe.

If he can stay healthy he's a problem

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Wall has always been the leader of his team.

Kyrie had playoff success as the #2 guy. His teams were ASS when he as the leader and couldn't even make the playoffs.

If you traded Wall for Kyrie right now, the Cavs would be a better team. They'd be better on defense, Lebron/Wall would play off each other better with Wall setting up the role players better as well, and Wall would save Lebron some energy on offense. The isolation scoring from Kyrie that you would lose wouldn't come close to making up for it.

 

[Originalgangsta317]

Wall has always been the leader of his team.

Kyrie had playoff success as the #2 guy. His teams were ASS when he as the leader and couldn't even make the playoffs.

If you traded Wall for Kyrie right now, the Cavs would be a better team. They'd be better on defense, Lebron/Wall would play off each other better with Wall setting up the role players better as well, and Wall would save Lebron some energy on offense. The isolation scoring from Kyrie that you would lose wouldn't come close to making up for it.

I agree Wall is better than Kyrie no question.

But I think Kyrie fits with Lebron better than Wall would.

 

[HoopLife]

I agree Wall is better than Kyrie no question.

But I think Kyrie fits with Lebron better than Wall would.

Lebron had his best games with a great passer because he's a great cut man. Kyrie still prone to tunnel vision.

 

[Versa]

Conley doesn't belong in the conversation and at 31 and injury-prone I doubt a Nash-like 30's surge. He is who he is. Like someone said he's been underrated so long he's kind of become overrated.

Conley is 28 years old.

 

[SadimirPutin]

I suppose Wall is a "better PG" but I am not sure if that counts in the overall scheme of things

bear with me....Kyrie is an elite scorer who doesnt turn the ball over that much(well at least he didnt in this past playoffs...will have to check his career numbers)

Much better shooter than Wall, midrange and three point...phenomenal finisher at the rim

Can hold his own defensively when he puts in effort but is by no means a lock down guy....

Over dribbles sometimes and somebody earlier mentioned tunnel vision which is ABSOLUTELY TRUE SOMETIMES...

but you can live with that because he is an absolute amazing offensive talent

In the modern nba which would you rather have as your point guard....Elite passing and defense(again this depends on whether you conside Wall an elite passer) or a dynamic shooter/playmaker who is not turnover prone..


I think this comes down to the surrounding pieces

 

[Basaglia]

Wall has always been the leader of his team.

not a good thing

 

[humble Hermit]

I'm probably the biggest Wall fan next to @Black but I would give Kylie the nod.
Wall isn't the player you would depend on in the clutch and his hero ball skills sucks. Some of that is the team but alot of it is him.
Also his Gm and coaching didn't help his progression.
The wizards basically tanked last season in hopes of Durant.
If Wall had teammates like Kyrie, I would give the nod to him but right now Kyrie has the juice.
I'm hoping that new coaching and line up change(health too) will bring out the best in Wall. As he's more team success that individual. The league has changed its philosophy and they can't play like the 2008 nba.

Kyrie wasn't a winner before last season and before them I'd give the slight nod to Wall.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Kyrie is a much better fit next to LeBron.

You only consider Wall if you truly think he can make Kevin Love a better player. If you don't...then its easily Kyrie.

 

[Consumed]

It's Kyrie. People have this thing where they overlook scoring deficiencies with point guards, but his inability to make teams pay in the P&R when they go under every screen daring him to shoot or score 1on1 reliably enough to warrant having the ball in his hands all the time deflates his offensive value by a lot. Not a fan of his horrible turnover rate either as compared to Irving who gets his offense without making as many mistakes. He is not as impactful as the numbers suggest and won't be until he improves his halfcourt game. In the postseason, his game translates much worse than Kyrie's as well. Not buying that the Cavs still win the title if you replaced the two

Defensively he was not nearly as consistent as the previous season and took a lot of possessions off. Just nobody takes note of it because he has a reputation, just like Chris Paul. Not using that to put him over Irving

Lowry is also better than Wall

 

[Paradise50]

Wall can carry a team and Kyrie can't


Wall never led his team to a #1 pick like Kyrie

 

[Rekkapryde]

Wall is a better traditional PG. Kyrie's the better player and his game complements Bron with Bron as the traditional PG wherever he goes.