Kyrie wants to be TRADED

[Illeye buckmatic]

Damien lillard is a pretty good leader, Draymond green is a pretty good leader. They both have been in the league for less time than Kyrie. Stop makin excuses.



This isn't a Bron thread. You guys keep trying to make Kyrie's lackadaisical effort about Bron. Kyrie cries about not getting the ball but then when he has it never makes a pass. He never gets back on D or tries to fight around a screen. Bron involves the team way more often and plays defense way more often and its not even arguable. He's also 31 years old to Kyrie's 23. Kyrie gives full effort like 5% of the time.

But you told me and @jaguar paw that Bron is a leader of men. We both gave you that Kyrie is to blame. But if Bron is such a great leader why can't a 31 year old lead a 23 year old? Why do Bron takes plays off HIMSELF? Why does Bron resist coaching? Why does Bron stop the ball on O? Why does Bron pout and yell when not only others mess up but when he messed up? Just because he's a great talent doesn't mean he's a great leader.

 

[JYoung24]

The fact that Lebron makes any team an instant title contender every year aside, why wouldn't an elite point guard want to play with him? Where has being so ball dominant gotten Chris Paul and Russ so far? One finals appearance between them. Meanwhile the best point guard in the league isn't really ball dominant and would mesh with Lebron perfectly.

He makes any team in the east title contenders

 

[ManBearPig]

Becuz he the best player in the world. Should I not expect more?

The way I look at it is like this...

Don't come at me with that bullshyt about how great he is and how he defies all odds and then cop the fukk outta some pleas when shyt don't go his way.

The story of this nikka's career is about what he didn't have to play with when it mattered most. I hate how that shyt applies to him and only him.

And I didn't really trip on him in 2014. He played his heart out and had no one to back him. The problem I had was in 2015 when they were up 2-1 and how people were saying the Warriors were overrated and would lose the series. Dude got put on God status before the season was over. So when they ended up losing and people was talking this, "he tired" shyt, I got mad. How they put this man on God status and then when his team fails, he got tired and everybody else was ass? fukk that shyt. I don't want to hear that shyt. He shoulda played harder. He shouldn't have gotten tired. He shoulda done more. If yall can't be reasonable when it's supposed to matter, then I refuse to give in to reason when the chips don't fall how yall want them.

Now one thing I will say is that there were also so people with common sense who knew that he would eventually tire out if no one else stepped up and I could talk to those folks like everything was cool. But don't be one of them nikkas that pop shyt and then go and hide when shyt get too real. Too much of that with LeBron fans on here.

look at Curry's stats in those fist 3 games and Klay wasn't playing to we

Spurs are even better this year. Warriors look even better than the Spurs. Why do you think that is?

Lebron is a supremely talented player but he's been absurdly stubborn. Hero ball and ball stopping doesn't work in the NBA anymore.

The Spurs added L.A. this season and the Warriors were a first round exit team until last season and they are young.

The Heat were in 4 finals straight with everybody in their 30s or last 20s

 

[Dayco23]

But you told me and @jaguar paw that Bron is a leader of men. We both gave you that Kyrie is to blame. But if Bron is such a great leader why can't a 31 year old lead a 23 year old? Why do Bron takes plays off HIMSELF? Why does Bron resist coaching? Why does Bron stop the ball on O? Why does Bron pout and yell when not only others mess up but when he messed up? Just because he's a great talent doesn't mean he's a great leader.

I never said that. I don't agree that he is a piss poor leader like you guys are sayin. He's not the best leader but he has our team at the top of the conference and we win more games than we lose. He was a pretty damn good leader last year in the playoffs. JR Smiths career has been revitalized playin with Bron. There are signs he's a good enough leader. The problem is the other superstar on the team never leads and everyone gives him a pass because they expect him to follow.

 

[jaguar paw]

Damien lillard is a pretty good leader, Draymond green is a pretty good leader. They both have been in the league for less time than Kyrie. Stop makin excuses.

Yeah I can tell you don't really want to debate this.



Lilliard and Green are both 4 year college players who were drafted to actual functional organizations that actually know how to develop talent, draft, and set cultural boundaries.

Even with that Draymond still lacks maturity but he's in a GREAT environment.

Dame and Dray are both 2 years older than Kyrie.

 

[Dayco23]

Yeah I can tell you don't really want to debate this.



Lilliard and Green are both 4 year college players who were drafted to actual functional organizations that actually know how to develop talent, draft, and set cultural boundaries.

Even with that Draymond still lacks maturity but he's in a GREAT environment.

Dame and Dray are both 2 years older than Kyrie.

So what? They have less experience in the league. Kyrie was #1 since day 1. He should know how to give effort and expect it from his teammates by now. He's in year 5. You would think by year 5 he would actually give a shyt. You're just makin excuses to make excuses.

 

[Goatpoacher]

look at Curry's stats in those fist 3 games and Klay wasn't playing to we


The Spurs added L.A. this season and the Warriors were a first round exit team until last season and they are young.

The Heat were in 4 finals straight with everybody in their 30s or last 20s

I'm referring to the type of offenses Lebron lost to. I'm talking about the offenses that are both killing the league right now.

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

I never said that. I don't agree that he is a piss poor leader like you guys are sayin. He's not the best leader but he has our team at the top of the conference and we win more games than we lose. He was a pretty damn good leader last year in the playoffs. JR Smiths career has been revitalized playin with Bron. There are signs he's a good enough leader. The problem is the other superstar on the team never leads and everyone gives him a pass because they expect him to follow.

Kyrie gets his share of the blame. He's regressed as an overall player since last year when he was playing very well on both sides of the ball. His attitude and hustle is smh at times as well. As for Bron his talent alone can almost will us to the finals. But if the best player on the team doesn't give 100% it rubs off on everyone else. And I would think Bron who has won 2 chips and made more all star appearances than Kyrie has played in the league would be the better leader. If Bron was to give max effort and do what the coaches want,I bet we would be right there with the top 2 in the west. We got the talent but I question that locker room.

 

[ManBearPig]

I'm referring to the type of offenses Lebron lost to. I'm talking about the offenses that are both killing the league right now.

Tell the Cavs to put a gun to the Spurs owner and them them to cough up Gregg Popovich.

Mike brown and Erik Spoelstra are both known for simple isolation offense and the cabs were running plays until everybody got hurt.

 

[jaguar paw]

So what? They have less experience in the league. Kyrie was #1 since day 1. He should know how to give effort and expect it from his teammates by now. He's in year 5. You would think by year 5 he would actually give a shyt. You're just makin excuses to make excuses.

Who would he learn that from?

Byron Scott?

Mike Brown?

Boobie Gibson?

Andrew Bynum?

Jarrett Jack ?

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

So what? They have less experience in the league. Kyrie was #1 since day 1. He should know how to give effort and expect it from his teammates by now. He's in year 5. You would think by year 5 he would actually give a shyt. You're just makin excuses to make excuses.

Kyrie was #1 from day one. And we was
He was drafted into a bad organization with bad teammates and coaching. He picked up plenty of bad habits. He didn't have anyone to teach him how to be a leader. Brons talents can make just about any team contenders. But if he gave better effort maybe Kyrie would take his game to the next level. The same way Wade and Riley helped maximize Brons talent in Miami.

 

[Dayco23]

Who would he learn that from?

Byron Scott?

Mike Brown?

Boobie Gibson?

Andrew Bynum?

Jarrett Jack ?

I didn't know you had to be taught how to actually "give a shyt" about your job. My bad.

 

[Edub]

The funny thing about it was at the end of last season he started to show signs of being a two way player. Maybe as he continues to get more games under his belt this year he'll get back to that form. Better leadership would help accelerate that. Wish Bron would lead by example

Yea...Bron is vital in this

 

[jaguar paw]

I didn't know you had to be taught how to actually "give a shyt" about your job. My bad.

You need structure and functionality around you to be your best.

And to suggest that Kyrie doesn't care about his job is asinine.

 

[Dayco23]

Kyrie was #1 from day one. And we was
He was drafted into a bad organization with bad teammates and coaching. He picked up plenty of bad habits. He didn't have anyone to teach him how to be a leader. Brons talents can make just about any team contenders. But if he gave better effort maybe Kyrie would take his game to the next level. The same way Wade and Riley helped maximize Brons talent in Miami.

Sure, but he's also been lazy as hell. Before Bron even came back we would complain about his effort. We shouldn't still be complaining 2 years later after a trip to the finals IMO. He looked fine last year.