L.A. MINIMUM WAGE APPROVED FOR $15

[dora_da_destroyer]

Americans and their denial of reality. You are here posting on the coli and probably middle class. Which means while you will never be rich, you could easily end up poor. You should always be behind the people nearest to you, and trust the people nearest to you are not the millionaires and billionaires which have their hands in all aspects of America.

I'm squarely behind fighting for the middle class - the people closest to me, we are suffering, my primary concern is not unskilled labor....I feel for the college grad who is in debt but underpaid, the once gainfully employed skilled laborer who can't find manufacturing jobs....not the people who's ability to breathe and press and key on the register is the most they can contribute. Minimum wage was set to stop labor exploitation, not provide a middle class life.

 

[Danny Up]

People with more specialized degrees deserve to get more. EX. I probably won't every make as much as a physician b/c their expertise is more specialized. In fact America will have a major problem in the coming decades due to a lack of general physicians. So to quell this problem you would pay them in the ball park of a fast food worker

Explain your argument better next time. You didn't specify a field. You just spouted a person with a degree.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No b/c 1. America has a shortage of nurses as well so industry is going to be providing incentives people to get into nursing anyway.
2. Hospitals need to pay/treat RNs and all other employees as well as possible b/c it costs a lot of money to train them. One of the major costs that hospitals face is due to a high turnover rate w/ nurses.
3. Look at my 1st post I said I'm good w/ increasing MW if other people with more skilled jobs also get raises.

 

[YouMadd?]

Please be coherant. Also try and see the bigger picture.

Try to keep up.

I will ask you this question and it should be easy to answer.

Who are you trying to help by raising the minimum wage this high?

I will try and explain this as simple as possible...

So let's say there are two types of workers who are in the job pool for places like McDonalds.

Type A: the person willing to work for $7.50

Type B: the person who requires at least $10 to work a low skilled job.

As it stands now, type A are who you see at McDonald's right now. They are willing to work a shytty job for 7.50$ because they need it and it is all they can get.

Type B is usually not working at McDonalds because they are not willing to work a shytty job for $7.50. Usually because they are too skilled and searching for "better" options.


Now raise the minimum wage to $15

You know what that does? It creates a whole pool of labor who are now willing to work those shytty jobs. Type B laborers are now willing to flip a burger for $15


And you know who will now get hired by the owner or manager more often than not? Type B. This leaves Type A in a bad place.

Large hikes in minimum wage prices low-skilled people who are poor, out of the market.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Explain your argument better next time. You didn't specify a field. You just spouted a person with a degree.

Well I mean tbh anyone with a college degree should make a lot more than people on MW so long as they are working in that field. Anyone who needs to go through training and get licenses for their job should make more as well. So not just ppl w/ a degree.

 

[YouMadd?]

Double

 

[RatherUnique]

I'm squarely behind fighting for the middle class - the people closest to me, we are suffering, my primary concern is not unskilled labor....

American middle and working class are entangled. The rich lord over both of them. The working class are closest to you. Americans need to feel superior to someone always

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

I doubt that is the main reason there is a shortage in general physicians. I guess it could play a small part though. Plus doctors get paid even before they become "full doctors" .

Lastly, I don't see what your issue with my post was. I said raising MW is cool so long as everyone else with more skilled jobs also get a raise. Paying a fast food worker or a server, jobs you can learn in a week, in the same ball park as a job that takes years of training or studying is stupid. Are you really arguing against that?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

American middle and working class are entangled. The rich lord over both of them. The working class are closest to you. Americans need to feel superior to someone always

Stop with this "Americans" rhetoric, secondly, stop having the chip on your shoulder. The wealthy rule the world, not just America. You can put on your tin foil hat and be up in arms about it, or you can mind your business and do the best you can for yourself and your family. I don't give a fukk about the "puppet masters" on top, I know the opportunities I've had and take advantage of them. I know the middle class game and do feel like those who invested in themselves deserve a bigger payout. Again, the middle class gains nothing from $15 min wage. This is not a cause I'm taking up nor do I oppose it...another piece of legislation i don't benefit from.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

The lack of doctors is directly related to the fact most lower-middle-class families cannot support an adult while they take over a decade to become a physician. They are already to financially burdened. Then combine that with loans and forget it. The very thing you are arguing against is impacting The example you are using to do the arguing.

I doubt that is the main reason there is a shortage in general physicians. I guess it could play a small part though. Plus doctors get paid even before they become "full doctors" .

Lastly, I don't see what your issue with my post was. I said raising MW is cool so long as everyone else with more skilled jobs also get a raise. Paying a fast food worker or a server, jobs you can learn in a week, in the same ball park as a job that takes years of training or studying is stupid. Are you really arguing against that?

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

If you argue that it's easy to find another stocker. Would you agree with a hospital CEO if he decided to pay all the RN'S less because they are in an area with a lot of nursing grads? The thing you don't realize is that the same "you can be replaced so I pay out less" mindset is increasingly going to also be used against college grads as well. So once bosses start knocking down degreed salaries are you gonna sing the same tune?

No b/c 1. America has a shortage of nurses as well so industry is going to be providing incentives people to get into nursing anyway.
2. Hospitals need to pay/treat RNs and all other employees as well as possible b/c it costs a lot of money to train them. One of the major costs that hospitals face is due to a high turnover rate w/ nurses.
3. Look at my 1st post I said I'm good w/ increasing MW if other people with more skilled jobs also get raises.

 

[Black_Jesus]

15 an hour but they won't get 40 hours a week

 

[RatherUnique]

Try to keep up.

I will ask you this question and it should be easy to answer.

Who are you trying to help by raising the minimum wage this high?

I will try and explain this as simple as possible...

So let's say there are two types of workers who are in the job pool for places like McDonalds.

Type A: the person willing to work for $7.50

Type B: the person who requires at least $10 to work a low skilled job.

As it stands now, type A are who you see at McDonald's right now. They are willing to work a shytty job for 7.50$ because they need it and it is all they can get.

Type B is usually not working at McDonalds because they are not willing to work a shytty job for $7.50. Usually because they are too skilled and searching for "better" options.


Now raise the minimum wage to $15

You know what that does? It creates a whole pool of labor who are now willing to work those shytty jobs. Type B laborers are now willing to flip a burger for $15


And you know who will now get hired by the owner or manager more often than not? Type B. This leaves Type A in a bad place.

Large hikes in minimum wage prices lower skilled people who are poor, out of the market.

I will admit it's hard to "keep up" up with your unnecessary use of bold lettering and large spacing but I'll try. But relax, because you aren't coming with anything groundbreaking. Have you heard of such a phenomena where applicants are considered "overqualified." If you are familiar, then how can you think that "Type B," the obviously overqualified applicant in your hypothetical, would be picked? Right away that long winded hypothetical seems at odd with reality. And in any case, at least here in NY, a 10 dollar an hour job is basically a minimum wage type of job anyways. So there isn't much difference between the two types.

 

[RatherUnique]

No b/c 1. America has a shortage of nurses as well so industry is going to be providing incentives people to get into nursing anyway.
2. Hospitals need to pay/treat RNs and all other employees as well as possible b/c it costs a lot of money to train them. One of the major costs that hospitals face is due to a high turnover rate w/ nurses.
3. Look at my 1st post I said I'm good w/ increasing MW if other people with more skilled jobs also get raises.

I said an area with a high number of nursing grads. But honestly a lot of hospitals have frozen raises for RN's and hospital staff and it's been that way for years. So they already stopped increasing the salaries completely. That does not help 2. of your argument, does it?

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

If everyone;s wages go up then it's whatever. But minimum wage shouldn't be close to what someone with a undergrad degree or more gets.

You should be questioning why someone with an undergrad degree makes a wage that low.... not why minimum wage is attempting to be that high.