Lamelo ball says school doesnt teach u much and its not for everyone

[MoneyTron]

when you stop changing it and give up pretending 'business community' is some giant formless yet exclusive club lol. you inserted health and stuff QUICK in that edit

a highly specialized field like engineering/medicine/law is NOT the same as making money within any business - and 'certs' can mean anything from permissions to sell to managing accounts to language proficiency etc. you can google a license, cert, or endorsement, etc for each. all ways to make money for yourself and get your foot in the door that get you moving forward faster than sitting in classes that won't ever matter that you still pay for.

You clearly said

experience and certs will shyt on a degree with nothing behind it every time

So what industries is this true for outside of IT and trades?

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

I already said that I wasn't talking about the job. I'm saying that if you don't learn shyt in damn near every class you take then you're wasting the clear opportunities you're being given. I learned shyt in every class. Even when it wasn't task-specific when it comes to work responsibilities, some of it still applied to work (problem-solving skills, time management, ways of conceptualizing systems, developing robust vocab around tech topics) and all of it applied to the rest of life.

You talking about learning I’m talking about the actually application/applying what you learn. Yeah I learned some shyt but it was essentially useless and doesn’t apply. That’s a complete waste of time.

why waste my time to essentially learn something that proves to be nonapplicable when I could I have actually learned something that I could have used.

you can get back money but you can not get back time. Why waste both in the process

 

[filial_piety]

He’s half right...but as a person in the public eye, it’s irresponsible for him to say, especially for kids who want to hoop but still need a back up plan

School isn’t for everyone...but you also get out of it what you put into it

 

[42 Monks]

You clearly said


So what industries is this true for outside of IT and trades?

you being one of those argue without saying shyt to defend a position you only feel to obligated types right now. and not even reading on top of that - just going for gotcha quotes like i'm going after you or something

"and 'certs' can mean anything from permissions to sell to managing accounts to language proficiency etc. you can google a license, cert, or endorsement, etc for each"

does any of that sound like IT or trade? no. sales, database management, and hospitality/communication primarily and each is critical in damn near any kind of organization. there's online learning and certifications for each everywhere you look. i used to help felons get jobs breh. american college is a pushed on people to the point where they legit can't see paths to success without it.

 

[MoneyTron]

you being one of those argue without saying shyt to defend a position you only feel to obligated types right now. and not even reading on top of that - just going for gotcha quotes like i'm going after you or something

"and 'certs' can mean anything from permissions to sell to managing accounts to language proficiency etc. you can google a license, cert, or endorsement, etc for each"

does any of that sound like IT or trade? no. sales, database management, and hospitality/communication primarily and each is critical in damn near any kind of organization. there's online learning and certifications for each everywhere you look. i used to help felons get jobs breh. american college is a pushed on people to the point where they legit can't see paths to success without it.

Aight breh. You made a general statement and failed to back it up with evidence. Good job.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You talking about learning I’m talking about the actually application/applying what you learn. Yeah I learned some shyt but it was essentially useless and doesn’t apply. That’s a complete waste of time.

why waste my time to essentially learn something that proves to be nonapplicable when I could I have actually learned something that I could have used.

you can get back money but you can not get back time. Why waste both in the process

Because as an electrical engineer you should know by now that 90% of the day-to-day work you do isn't shyt that can be taught directly in a university course while still applying to every other engineer out there. It's job-specific, role-specific, changes over time and is often as dependent on soft skills as on any particular science/tech knowledge.

Again, going back to OP, LaMelo said that school doesn't teach anything. And I'm saying that's bullshyt if you take the slightest advantage of school. Just look at this country right now with all the lack of critical thinking that's going on, and we're supposed to believe that people can just teach themselves everything outside of a structured environment just like they're doing such a great job of "educating themselves" on Covid as we speak?

 

[42 Monks]

Aight breh. You made a general statement and failed to back it up with evidence. Good job.

you sure you don't want to edit in some more goalposts to move im at the dmv and got all this time to kill. you just went from 'business community' to law school with rapid fire edits to hide behind and really pushed some certs only equal IT shyt

Because as an electrical engineer you should know by now that 90% of the day-to-day work you do isn't shyt that can be taught directly in a university course while still applying to every other engineer out there. It's job-specific, role-specific, changes over time and is often as dependent on soft skills as on any particular science/tech knowledge. My wife was an aerospace engineer and none of her coursework directly applied to her job tasks but the vocabulary, problem-solving, critical thinking, work ethic, and project management skills all stemmed directly from her college experience. And she did very well at one of the big-name aerospace corps so I'd say she clearly was prepared enough.

Again, going back to OP, LaMelo said that school doesn't teach anything. And I'm saying that's bullshyt if you take the slightest advantage of school. Just look at this country right now with all the lack of critical thinking that's going on, and we're supposed to believe that people can just teach themselves everything outside of a structured environment just like they're doing such a great job of "educating themselves" on Covid as we speak?

school doesn't prioritize critical thinking and that last bit has more to do with american complacency than anything

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

Because as an electrical engineer you should know by now that 90% of the day-to-day work you do isn't shyt that can be taught directly in a university course while still applying to every other engineer out there. It's job-specific, role-specific, changes over time and is often as dependent on soft skills as on any particular science/tech knowledge. My wife was an aerospace engineer and none of her coursework directly applied to her job tasks but the vocabulary, problem-solving, critical thinking, work ethic, and project management skills all stemmed directly from her college experience. And she did very well at one of the big-name aerospace corps so I'd say she clearly was prepared enough.

Again, going back to OP, LaMelo said that school doesn't teach anything. And I'm saying that's bullshyt if you take the slightest advantage of school. Just look at this country right now with all the lack of critical thinking that's going on, and we're supposed to believe that people can just teach themselves everything outside of a structured environment just like they're doing such a great job of "educating themselves" on Covid as we speak?

Fair enough to the first point but then that means college should be a 2 yr vocational program instead of littered buffer class after buffer class to essentially nab an arbitrary 4 yr degree

to your second Point if that was the case racism would not exist in academia which me and you both know does and at extreme levels once you enter the Master/PhD area

 

[MoneyTron]

you sure you don't want to edit in some more goalposts to move im at the dmv and got all this time to kill. you just went from 'business community' to law school with rapid fire edits to hide behind and really pushed some certs only equal IT shyt

Are you sure you don't want to apply general statements to every job? I gave those examples to prove a point to that refuted yours.

College is very necessary for many fields and "certs and experience" will not get you ahead of some random kid coming out of undergrad if the job requires a degree.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

school doesn't prioritize critical thinking and that last bit has more to do with american complacency than anything

My university experience was 10x more geared towards critical thinking than anything else I'd ever done in my life.

Fair enough to the first point but then that means college should be a 2 yr vocational program instead of littered buffer class after buffer class to essentially nab an arbitrary 4 yr degree

I agree the time length is essentially arbitrary but you can easily fill out 4 years productively if you want to make best use of it. Perhaps the Finnish system is much better.

* Graduate secondary school at 16 instead of 18.

* Choose between vocational track or academic track after that. Vocational track is a 3-year work-specific training program that also continues to incorporate basic math/reading skills. Academic track is a 3-year academic program sorta equivalent to end of high school + associate's degree.

* At 19, the vocational-track students are now ready for the workplace and the academic-track students can either enter the workforce or take an additional 2-3 year degree specific to their profession.

to your second Point if that was the case racism would not exist in academia which me and you both know does and at extreme levels once you enter the Master/PhD area

I don't see how that claim results from my comment at all.

 

[42 Monks]

Are you sure you don't want to apply general statements to every job? I gave those examples to prove a point to that refuted yours.

College is very necessary for many fields and "certs and experience" will not get you ahead of some random kid coming out of undergrad if the job requires a degree.

if you want to talk generalities, then 'business community' is right up there at the top. lets just be real

and grads get passed up for people with legitimate skills and real world experience the vast majority of the time because its simply practical. you go to college to get an understanding of the field you intend to enter, but developing that understanding will never be exclusive to college. the fact that people look at a bachelors degree like a first option and mandatory requirement to success is the result of a hustle in itself. a kid with communications degree is getting swerved by someone with mandarin proficiency and experience in the hotel industry. an accounting major who can't organize and manage spreadsheets is useless. a business degree is wasted on someone who thinks their business degree is enough. to even acquire some products requires paperwork. selling it? yeah. that too and more.

kids coming out being unable to get quality jobs is legit a huge problem. slapping debt on top of that just to figure out the rest later?

 

[staticshock]

I hate the “college is a scam” people or ones who tell children there is nothing good about college.

college isn’t the issue, it’s the student loans. I urge every student I work with to look into grants and scholarships. There is nothing wrong with going to college…

 

[OnlyOneBoss]

Honestly, compare the amount of people who go the college route, and end up with a career making a ton of money doing what they love as a living and they’re one of the best at it.


That number is probably really small and probably closer to the amount of people who are in the NBA right now

 

[MoneyTron]

if you want to talk generalities, then 'business community' is right up there at the top. lets just be real

and grads get passed up for people with legitimate skills and real world experience the vast majority of the time because its simply practical. you go to college to get an understanding of the field you intend to enter, but developing that understanding will never be exclusive to college. the fact that people look at a bachelors degree like a first option and mandatory requirement to success is the result of a hustle in itself. a kid with communications degree is getting swerved by someone with mandarin proficiency and experience in the hotel industry. an accounting major who can't organize and manage spreadsheets is useless. a business degree is wasted on someone who thinks their business degree is enough. to even acquire some products requires paperwork. selling it? yeah. that too and more.

kids coming out being unable to get quality jobs is legit a huge problem. slapping debt on top of that just to figure out the rest later?

Kids not making it in the door because they don't have a degree is also a huge problem.

Very often it turns out you need the degree to get the experience.

 

[Lakerman0834]

Thread shows why American education and Americans are just dumber in general than other developed countries