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[DPresidential]

@Ironman Thanks breh.

As controversial as it is to talk about, imagine this...

What would our team look like on a game by game basis if the lineup was Frank, Timmy, Mikal, KP & Kanter(or O'Quinn).

Stay with me real quick.

Now imagine Kanter's abilities stayed the same, defunct on D and somehow just as efficient on offensive. Imagine Timmy continues to tremd towards being a serviceable 2 on defense. Frank being Frank on D and getting more comfortable offensively and Mikal actually being an elite defensive player. And Kp beasting lile Kp does.

Even w/ Kanter's defense, the rebounds, offensive output and elite defense at most positions would be a very interesting sight to see.

Again, that wasn't an endorsement of Kanter.

 

[Ironman]

@Ironman Thanks breh.

As controversial as it is to talk about, imagine this...

What would our team look like on a game by game basis if the lineup was Frank, Timmy, Mikal, KP & Kanter(or O'Quinn).

Stay with me real quick.

Now imagine Kanter's abilities stayed the same, defunct on D and somehow just as efficient on offensive. Imagine Timmy continues to tremd towards being a serviceable 2 on defense. Frank being Frank on D and getting more comfortable offensively and Mikal actually being an elite defensive player. And Kp beasting lile Kp does.

Even w/ Kanter's defense, the rebounds, offensive output and elite defense at most positions would be a very interesting sight to see.

Again, that wasn't an endorsement of Kanter.

Kanter needs to go honestly his defense is bad enough where he has to get benched at the end of games. I wish Quinn was a bit taller cause that's really what hurts him against some centers. He already has the tenacity for defense and has a nice 15-17 footer. We need to get a big in the 2nd round and get Kanter an Noah outta here. As far as the other 4 guys a nice balance of offense and defense. If the Bridge brother is even average offensively out the gate we'd be in better shape no doubt. All young as hell players and Tim needs to step up and be consistent. Hopefully when KP comes back that's all he needs is to be a second or 3rd option. I just hope Frank gets an actual chance next season.

 

[ProlificLurker]

I think so, if he actually becomes what people think he could.

I still don't prefer him but I'd ride with my draft choice.

We'd get do much hate until he actually bears, though. I don't think I'd be able to handle the Coli onslaught.

I hope this is just a smokescreen

Trae is the exact opposite of the type player Perry/Mills and even Fizdale have claimed they want to target in the draft/FA, long (), athletic, defensive minded players with 2-way capability.

If he's the selection, I can make sense of it from a BPA perspective...and of course root for him to hit his ceiling & it work out for us....but it would be kind of a letdown after all that 2-way player stuff they've been preaching the last several weeks, a draft selection of Trae Young is a direct contradiction of that vision. Im willing and want to give the brass and the newly hired head coach the benefit of the doubt, but it'd be difficult to take them seriously after something like that

 

[ISO]

O'Quinn is better than Kanter.

 

[RickyGQ]

I'm sorry if, in some people's opinion, I come off as casual or uneducated, but it's fascinating that elite defense as a true talent isn't something that basketball heads don't place on a pedestal like one dimensional offensive players.

Trading shots has always been a gamblers game to me. Now, yes, if you have Steph, it's not a gamble but it's odd that after Steph's performances have changed the NBA, people are willing to find it realistic that the offensive accuracy that he and Harden exhibit is that discoverable.

*I'm not trying to fight, not trying to be onnsome shots fired shyt. I'm legit coming from a humble place of ignorance. So before y'all come at my neck for this post.

W/ KP, is finding offensive output that's dispersed over a balanced roster not a good strategy when combined w/ elite defense at most positions in your lineup?

I look at this last season and the amount of games I remember losing in the last minutes of the 4th b/c of a lack of shut down shut defense highlights how important defense was considering even w/ a offensively stunted team, we were tradong shot for shot with teams.

I want to learn, brehs. Inform me what I'm missing.

I think the smart teams know this... the rest of the league will catch up in 4 years probably. Look at Boston, they’re loaded with long armed 6’8” guys who can guard multiple positions. Mikal should be our pick period. I think it’s easier to manuafacture scoring on a offensive deficient team than it is to manufacture stops and a defensive deficient one. Frank, Mikal and KP has the potential to be a top 5 defense. That’s top seed type shyt year in and year out.

 

[Frump]

I'm sorry if, in some people's opinion, I come off as casual or uneducated, but it's fascinating that elite defense as a true talent isn't something that basketball heads don't place on a pedestal like one dimensional offensive players.

Trading shots has always been a gamblers game to me. Now, yes, if you have Steph, it's not a gamble but it's odd that after Steph's performances have changed the NBA, people are willing to find it realistic that the offensive accuracy that he and Harden exhibit is that discoverable.

*I'm not trying to fight, not trying to be onnsome shots fired shyt. I'm legit coming from a humble place of ignorance. So before y'all come at my neck for this post.

W/ KP, is finding offensive output that's dispersed over a balanced roster not a good strategy when combined w/ elite defense at most positions in your lineup?

I look at this last season and the amount of games I remember losing in the last minutes of the 4th b/c of a lack of shut down shut defense highlights how important defense was considering even w/ a offensively stunted team, we were tradong shot for shot with teams.

I want to learn, brehs. Inform me what I'm missing.

Because if you can’t hit a shot in today’s nba you’re a liability

Nobody is stopping the GS Warriors I don’t care how many elite defenders you have.

Gobert is thought of as a defensive juggernaut and because he’s limited offensively he was basically run off the court and useless against the Rockets

 

[OneManGang]

I'm sorry if, in some people's opinion, I come off as casual or uneducated, but it's fascinating that elite defense as a true talent isn't something that basketball heads don't place on a pedestal like one dimensional offensive players.

Trading shots has always been a gamblers game to me. Now, yes, if you have Steph, it's not a gamble but it's odd that after Steph's performances have changed the NBA, people are willing to find it realistic that the offensive accuracy that he and Harden exhibit is that discoverable.

*I'm not trying to fight, not trying to be onnsome shots fired shyt. I'm legit coming from a humble place of ignorance. So before y'all come at my neck for this post.

W/ KP, is finding offensive output that's dispersed over a balanced roster not a good strategy when combined w/ elite defense at most positions in your lineup?

I look at this last season and the amount of games I remember losing in the last minutes of the 4th b/c of a lack of shut down shut defense highlights how important defense was considering even w/ a offensively stunted team, we were tradong shot for shot with teams.

I want to learn, brehs. Inform me what I'm missing.

By this same token, how many late games or 3rd quarters did we lose because we literally could not buy a bucket?

 

[ProlificLurker]

We need two way players and guys that can hold down multiple positions. Frank offense will come along if he's actually given an opportunity. With experience and training he can without a doubt guard 1-2 spots. We need a big that can hold down the paint and score on the inside especially if KP continues to fight not being the 5. We need a damn 3 that can be there for the forseeable future. People are just caught up because of what the warriors can do but they got lucky and drafted two of the greatest shooters of all time. Even more lucky Durant actually let them recruit him

Also doesn't hurt that one of those shooters, Klay Thompson, is very solid on the defensive side of the ball. And no matter what ppl might think of Green, he's a very good defender as well, so is Durant. Thru personnel & scheme they are really able to mitigate Curry's weaknesses.

I know Perry and dem have said repeatedly they goin after BPA regardless of roster fit, but this team is lacking in two way players at the moment. Drafting Young doesnt help with that.

 

[nyknick]

@Ironman

What would our team look like on a game by game basis if the lineup was Frank, Timmy, Mikal, KP & Kanter(or O'Quinn).

Nope. KP can't play 4 anymore and you just can't have two big men on the floor at the same time for an extended period of time especially if both can't shoot 3s.

KP is a center. It's 2018, small forwards are playing as PFs and he just can't keep up with them. I don't want my 7'3 player chasing small forwards off the 3 point line even if he didn't tear his ACL. So not only is he struggling to stay in front of his man but it also takes him away from what he does best and is most important to the team, rim protection. You won't be able to intimidate anyone in the paint if you're guarding your man at the the 3 point line.

On offense it just works in reverse. Since KP has a smaller man on him he tries to post up, he clogs the lane and slows the offense down. And when you have another big man on the floor with him (Kanter) it just further clogs the lane and messss up the flow. KP's handle are not good enough to be Durant and his post game is not good enough to be Embiid. So he needs to be Rudy Gobert that can play offense. If he played as a 5 he would pull his man out of the paint, open up the floor for everyone and have quickness advantage over other fives.

I'm sick of seeing him try those slow motion crossovers that no one is falling for.

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Nope. KP can't play 4 anymore and you just can't have two big men on the floor at the same time for an extended period of time especially if both can't shoot 3s.

KP is a center. It's 2018, small forwards are playing as PFs and he just can't keep up with them. I don't want my 7'3 player chasing small forwards off the 3 point line even if he didn't tear his ACL. So not only is he struggling to stay in front of his man but it also takes him away from what he does best and is most important to the team, rim protection. You won't be able to intimidate anyone in the paint if you're guarding your man at the the 3 point line.

On offense it just works in reverse. Since KP has a smaller man on him he tries to post up, he clogs the lane and slows the offense down. And when you have another big man on the floor with him (Kanter) it just further clogs the lane and messss up the flow. KP's handle are not good enough to be Durant and his post game is not good enough to be Embiid. So he needs to be Rudy Gobert that can play offense. If he played as a 5 he would pull his man out of the paint, open up the floor for everyone and have quickness advantage over other fives.

I'm sick of seeing him try thise slow motion crossovers that no one is falling for.

He'll kill some of these centers with these moves though when he does move over to the 5 Kristaps does a really good job at staying in front of his man when he's defending the main ball handler, even when he's switched off on a guard( which is the biggest thing that separates him from Gobert imo, you can't iso and exploit KP on the perimeter to the extent you can with Gobert) but you're right, all of his defensive problems come off ball because he even eventually loses his man if they're active off ball, but he also has a tendency to help off a lot and at the wrong times, so he leaves shooters( most times another stretch 4) wide open. I think he overextends himself on defense because he has a natural inclination to protect the rim, and he doesn't trust his teammates to keep their man in front of them, so he leaves his man to either provide weak side help or contain the drive while giving up a wide open three. So regardless of whether KP is a 4 or a 5, he's gonna have to learn to stick his man on the perimeter better and be more timely with his help, because teams can still just put a smaller guy at 5 spot to exploit him if they feel the need to because KP doesn't rebound well, his post game is too inconsitent to take advantage of a smaller man, and the Knicks don't have anybody who will attack the rim and exploit the lack of a big man. I think it's more important to just find a guy to help offload some of the defensive responsibilities too until KP is strong enough to play the 5 full time. I think the move has to be made eventually, but until he's ready to do so, a big who can defend the paint, perimeter and help take some of the strain off of him, is welcome imo( Nerlens Noel)

 

[DPresidential]

I'm sick of seeing him try those slow motion crossovers that no one is falling for.

Breh, why can't he continue to try to become a better dribbler?

You're assuming he's spending ALL of his development working on just that. Or that the time he does work on it is a real detriment to his other progress.

And this above clip is against Draymond Green, defensive stalwart. Let KP cook.

 

[DPresidential]

By this same token, how many late games or 3rd quarters did we lose because we literally could not buy a bucket?

Very great point.

This is what I wanted - y'all to put this all into perspective for me. Very true.

 

[Monsanto]

I'm sold on Trae Young now. We have to pick him.

 

[Monsanto]

Very great point.

This is what I wanted - y'all to put this all into perspective for me. Very true.

This is an attitude that the Knicks have, taking possessions off while playing defense. And of course switching on D.

 

[RickyGQ]

Would you guys be interested in Andrew Wiggins? And what would it take?

Edit, i just saw his contract, he’s gonna make damn near 30 a year. So let’s seat it’s Lance and Joakim Noah for Wiggins, would y’all do it?