Lebron and Kobe

[RugbyCardigan]

Did I?


AGAIN, LeBron is playing in the Small Ball era playing with a HOF big man, who's STILL Top 5 PF in the NBA, and is STILL in his prime. No matter how hard you try to spin it, you cant



And while you are on your spin cycle bs, isnt a Bosh 6'11 and 235 lbs PF playing C while Roy Hibbert is a 7'2 290 lbs legitimate center? Have you ever seen Shaq on the court against somebody who's a defensive first player and was also 3 inches and 55 lbs HEAVIER than Shaq? No. It's never happened.

You call Bosh a big as if he doesn't play like a SG. Nothing about Bosh really screams a big man except his defense. Stop.

Bosh is a HOF today, but as soon as he has a bad stretch he'll go back to be soft and overrated. That's how things work you only credit Bron's team mates when you're taking away from him.

 

[Newzz]

LeBron is averaging the 60% this year, which:
1. Wade has missed damn near half the season and has rarely played on a superstar level
2. Ray Allen is shooting in the ballpark of the worst percentages in his career
3. Bosh is not a better option than any Kobe has had

You are aware that Chris Bosh on the Raptors was better than Pau Gasol was on the Grizzlies arent you

 

[RugbyCardigan]

PER and Win shares? those archaic stat against weaker opponents amazing

Of course you don't care for those stats....they're not in Kobe's favor.

 

[Newzz]

You call Bosh a big as if he doesn't play like a SG. Nothing about Bosh really screams a big man except his defense. Stop.

So.......now we deciding what players position are depending on what they PLAY like?







So, Dirk Nowitzki is the 3rd best SG of all-time then right

 

[FTBS]

You havent said anything I've already addressed any points you thought you were making. You said:




Points?


Rebounds?



Assists?




I never ignore context unless I'm talking to people who do it to try and prove THEIR point. If we gonna go by "career averages", yes LeBron's more of a chucker than Kobe. If yall wanna go by Kobe's numbers since he became a starter, then we can discuss starting from there. The guy @Draje JUST said he doesnt go by career averages, but then posts:

"So you're admitting that Lebron scores at a rate similar to Kobe and then stomps him in almost every other category over their career average.

GOOD JOB!"



If that's what he wanna do, then that's what I'm on.

He has Kobe in EVERY category breh. What are you missing. My point was that context is your friend if you are defending Kobe. Just looking at the raw numbers it's not even a contest because like I said he has Kobe in EVERY category. I understand you went there to make a point however going there shyts all over your point. Bron attempting one more shot minus context ain't shyt compared to him having better numbers than Kobe in EVERY category minus context. You follow?

 

[GzUp]

Compare bosh as big to shaq brehs

 

[RugbyCardigan]

You are aware that Chris Bosh on the Raptors was better than Pau Gasol was on the Grizzlies arent you

But what was his numbers on the Lakers? Exactly.

 

[FTBS]

You tell me what Kobe playing with Shaq from 1997-2004 has to do with LeBron himself playing with a HOF big man in the Small Era?

Kobe's Big Man was much better and much more impactful thusly at best for him it's a moot point at worst it can be used against him when comparing the two. Much like raw career numbers you don't wanna bring up big man teammates when comparing Kobe to Bron if you are on Kobe's side.

Keep in mind this didn't become the small ball era untl the Heat made it that due to Bron's versatility.

 

[Newzz]

He has Kobe in EVERY category breh. What are you missing. My point was that context is your friend if you are defending Kobe. Just looking at the raw numbers it's not even a contest because like I said he has Kobe in EVERY category. I understand you went there to make a point however going there shyts all over your point. Bron attempting one more shot minus context ain't shyt compared to him having better numbers than Kobe in EVERY category minus context. You follow?

But if I'm not going on raw numbers........what does it matter? Only reason I said that to him, because I knew that's what he was going off of. So i trolled him with the LeBron shooting 20+ times per game for his career (which is extremely high for someone who's always touted as unselfish if you gonna keep it real)


Anybody who claims they are a real fan of basketball should be able to use context in comparison of players. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TWO PLAYERS IN QUESTION PLAY DIFFERENT POSITIONS

 

[Newzz]

Compare bosh as big to shaq brehs

Be a male nurse brehs........

 

[ReggieFlare]

You are aware that Chris Bosh on the Raptors was better than Pau Gasol was on the Grizzlies arent you

Better than Shaq too huh?

Besides, that's irrelevant. The difference between them is not great enough for it to matter. If Pau was in Bosh's place, I guarantee the results would generally be the same because of how similarly Bosh and Pau play their roles.

 

[Newzz]

But what was his numbers on the Lakers? Exactly.

Everybody who has played with Kobe has had their best seasons with Kobe....it's with LeBron that nobody has their best seasons.



But yall dont wanna go there

 

[Newzz]

Better than Shaq too huh?

Besides, that's irrelevant. The difference between them is not great enough for it to matter. If Pau was in Bosh's place, I guarantee the results would generally be the same because of how similarly Bosh and Pau play their roles.

Did I say anyone was better than Shaq?


Yall nikkas are dense in here. Quote me where I said those words


Secondly, Chris Bosh is better than Pau Gasol and always has been. If you followed basketball before the Heat joined up, you would've known that already

Chris Bosh 7 year Career in Toronto:
20.2 ppg, 9.4 rebs, and 1.2 blks in the regular season.
20.5 ppg, 9.0 rebs, and 1.2 blks in the playoffs

5x All-Star, Finished amongst the top 7 in MVP votes in 2007 and Top 12 in 2010, made All-NBA 2nd Team, led his team to the playoffs twice losing 4-2 and 4-1

Pau Gasol's 7 year Career in Memphis:
18.8 ppg, 8.6 rebs, and 1.8 blks in regular season
20.0 ppg, 6.4 rebs, and 1.5 blks in the playoffs

1x All-Star, Never received an MVP vote in his career, Never made an All-NBA Team, led his team to the playoffs 3 times and never won a game losing 4-0 in all 3 appearances
And what were we discussing again?

Bu-bu-bu LeBron has never had an option as good as Kobe has when Chris Bosh is BETTER than fukking Pau Gasol

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

I've never used Kobe's career average, bro. I compared Kobe's single seasons to Lebron's career average. Go read the first post again.

Didn't Kobe have a 30-7-6-2 season? Isn't that as good as Lebron career average? Yes it is, so isnt this title of your thread wrong? Yes it is.

 

[FTBS]

But if I'm not going on raw numbers........what does it matter? Only reason I said that to him, because I knew that's what he was going off of. So i trolled him with the LeBron shooting 20+ times per game for his career (which is extremely high for someone who's always touted as unselfish if you gonna keep it real)


Anybody who claims they are a real fan of basketball should be able to use context in comparison of players. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE TWO PLAYERS IN QUESTION PLAY DIFFERENT POSITIONS

You are right context is key. However you shat on your point while trying to troll. That's all I have been saying. All he had to do was roll with it and turn around and point to Bron's superior numbers across the board using your same logic. It's like somebody trying to use the ring argument against Kobe on Lebron's behalf on some troll shyt. It's just not a sound strategy.