Lebron and Kobe

[Newzz]

Lebron rightnow is better than Kobe ever was.

bird career average = 24-10-6

Bron best season = 31-7-7

Actually, LeBron averaged 31.4 pts, 7.0 rebs, 6.6 assts, 1.6 stls, and 0.8 blks in his best season while Bird averaged 24.3 pts, 10.0 rebs, 6.3 assts, 1.7 stls, and 0.8 blksa for his career


Considering that Bird was more efficient for his CAREER than LeBron was that season, I would assume it's safe to say give Bird a few more shots per game (being that LeBron took 23 fga per game that season while Bird only took 19 shots a game for his career) his points would go up..........using the Draje assumption factors here


Hmmmm, Bird averaged 3 more rebounds for his career than LeBron did in his best season?


LeBron averaged only .3 more assist than Bird's entire career average, , but what? LeBron' averaged LESS STEALS AND THE SAME AMOUNT OF BLOCKS as Bird did for his career average? Wasnt Larry bird an unathletic white man and LeBron the supreme physical specimen in NBA history? Why in LeBron's best season did he average less steals and the same amout of blocks



The horrors

 

[Newzz]

Because Kobe has two damn seasons during his rookie and sophomore year where he barely played which drastically drag his FGA down over his career.

Same reason why Lebron averaged MORE PPG than Kobe over their career averages.

But do you use that same reasoning when discussing Kobe's career averages?


NOPE


If we not allowed to use what Kobe's numbers are since he became a starter in his 3rd season, then you cant either


Kobe shoots less per game for his career than LeBron does

 

[Draje]

Scoring goes to Kobe. Rebounding is a push. I think defense is a push. Passing is Lebron. Playoff performer is Kobe.

How is rebounding it a push? Lebron averages more and gets more? Size is a damn advantage.

Scoring is a push. They're both about even.

And how is Kobe a better playoff performer? Lebron's efficiency takes a drop but he's still plenty efficient plus he still averaged more rebounds and assists.

 

[FTBS]

Bron is the more complete player, if he keeps it up he could and probably will officially pass up Kobe. Bron should since he is playing in a weaker era with no worth wild big man to be worried about and in the small ball era, which plays to Bron's advantages.

Who were the worth while big men in Kobe's era (outside of the one on his own team dominating everybody )? Small ball only works if you have a player who is as versatile as Lebron is. It actually requires him to do more.

Who won it?

Magic if I am not mistaken. There is precedence. Big O didnt' win when he avg. a triple double and Wilt didn't win when he avg. 50 and 25. That's why I whenever people try to act like Kobe not winning in 05 was some unprecedented travesty.

 

[Poitier]

How is rebounding it a push? Lebron averages more and gets more? Size is a damn advantage.

Scoring is a push. They're both about even.

And how is Kobe a better playoff performer? Lebron's efficiency takes a drop but he's still plenty efficient plus he still averaged more rebounds and assists.

The efficiency gap narrows and gives Kobe's versatility an even bigger spotlight. You'd have an argument on them being equal scorers if we were talking regular season and not career. Kobe's averages stay the same in the playoffs against tougher ORTG and DRTG teams.

Size isn't an advantage, it is something you account for, especially on a measly 1 or 2 TRB % advantage smh

 

[FTBS]

But do you use that same reasoning when discussing Kobe's career averages?


NOPE


If we not allowed to use what Kobe's numbers are since he became a starter in his 3rd season, then you cant either


Kobe shoots less per game for his career than LeBron does

And scores less as well thereby eliminating any individual advantage statwise for Kobe. You sure you wanna belabor this point? Bron is one player you shouldn't play the blind stats game with breh.

 

[Newzz]

Who were the worth while big men in Kobe's era (outside of the one on his own team dominating everybody )? Small ball only works if you have a player who is as versatile as Lebron is. It actually requires him to do more.



Magic if I am not mistaken. There is precedence. Big O didnt' win when he avg. a triple double and Wilt didn't win when he avg. 50 and 25. That's why I whenever people try to act like Kobe not winning in 05 was some unprecedented travesty.

From 1997-2004: Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, Alonzo Mourning, Dirk Nowitzki, Jermaine O'Neal were all elite at one point for at least 4 of those 8 years



Aint nobody like that in this era

 

[Draje]

But do you use that same reasoning when discussing Kobe's career averages?


NOPE


If we not allowed to use what Kobe's numbers are since he became a starter in his 3rd season, then you cant either


Kobe shoots less per game for his career than LeBron does

I've never used Kobe's career average, bro. I compared Kobe's single seasons to Lebron's career average. Go read the first post again.

 

[Newzz]

And scores less as well thereby eliminating any individual advantage statwise for Kobe. You sure you wanna belabor this point? Bron is one player you shouldn't play the blind stats game with breh.

I already addressed it. Kobe shoots 19 time per game in his career and averaged 25 ppg. LeBron shoots 20 times per game in his career and averages 27 points. All this "efficiency" bullshyt yall be on is STUPID because the difference in their points come down to LeBron taking and making 1 single more shot per game than Kobe did

 

[FTBS]

From 1997-2004: Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, Alonzo Mourning, Dirk Nowitzki, Jermaine O'Neal were all elite at one point for at least 4 of those 8 years



Aint nobody like that in this era

And consequently Bron doesn't have a Shaq on his team that is capable of at the very least cancelling out but in most occasions overriding the contributions of any of those guys. The point is you can't belabor the big man point for Kobe when he had the best one (outside of Duncan).

 

[Draje]

The efficiency gap narrows and gives Kobe's versatility an even bigger spotlight. You'd have an argument on them being equal scorers if we were talking regular season and not career. Kobe's averages stay the same in the playoffs against tougher ORTG and DRTG teams.

Size isn't an advantage, it is something you account for, especially on a measly 1 or 2 TRB % advantage smh

Ask the Spurs how much one rebound means.

Come playoffs, Lebron pretty much stomps on Kobe in almost every single metric star available from Win Shares to PER to TRB and so forth so...what?

 

[Newzz]

And consequently Bron doesn't have a Shaq on his team that is capable of at the very least cancelling out but in most occasions overriding the contributions of any of those guys. The point is you can't belabor the big man point for Kobe when he had the best one (outside of Duncan).

Is LeBron not playing with a HOF big man in his prime while being in this small ball era?



Chris Bosh is still one of the top 5 PFs in the NBA.

 

[FTBS]

I already addressed it. Kobe shoots 19 time per game in his career and averaged 25 ppg. LeBron shoots 20 times per game in his career and averages 27 points. All this "efficiency" bullshyt yall be on is STUPID because the difference in their points come down to LeBron taking and making 1 single more shot per game than Kobe did

You didn't address what I said. If you wanna play the blind stats game and ignore any context and go blindy by career avg. Bron has Kobe beat in EVERY category except FT% and TO. Like I said that isn't the best route to go to try to make your point.

 

[Draje]

I already addressed it. Kobe shoots 19 time per game in his career and averaged 25 ppg. LeBron shoots 20 times per game in his career and averages 27 points. All this "efficiency" bullshyt yall be on is STUPID because the difference in their points come down to LeBron taking and making 1 single more shot per game than Kobe did

So you're admitting that Lebron scores at a rate similar to Kobe and then stomps him in almost every other category over their career average.

GOOD JOB!

 

[Poitier]

Ask the Spurs how much one rebound means.

Come playoffs, Lebron pretty much stomps on Kobe in almost every single metric star available from Win Shares to PER to TRB and so forth so...what?

PER and Win shares? those archaic stat against weaker opponents amazing