Kyrie saw through it
LeBron hurt the Lakers big time this year: this is in large part LeBron's fault.
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I really want to see how bad Mark Williams medical stuff was. This that used up Bynum until he was no good gor a championship, why the hell they care about longevity now? Pelinka traded for a big with a broken foot btw...
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
This should tell you all you need to know.
It had nothing to do with a failed medical. They just had a change of heart at the last minute, likely by someone who opposed the trade.
Retire ..
No one in California will ever respect you
No one in California will ever respect you
The Bynum shyt was Jim Buss though, we tried to get rid of him for Kidd and Melo
Pelinka will use Knecht in a package for a better big than mark williams
murksiderock
Superstar
His legacy building did end years ago. This is a point I've been hitting on...
His record was sealed already when he won in Cleveland, that was at Year 13. That stamped him as the greatest player of all time, and 13 years is the same amount of career Russell, Bird, Magic played, and the same amount of time Mike played in Chicago. Everything to validate him as the GOAT, was done in 13 years...
The 2016 Finals is by consensus regarded as the greatest Finals performance in basketball history. Led a comeback from 1-3. Did it vs the team with the most regular season wins ever. Led both teams in every traditional stat. Greatest defensive play in NBA history. Greatest 3-game stretch to close a Finals in NBA history. Iconic plays throughout the series...
He reached a level of play in that series that wasn't seen before then, and hasn't, yet, been seen since. Even for people who, it didn't make him the GOAT, it rocketed him forward, and keep in mind before then he was already considered Top 10, he already had two rings and 4 MVPs and dominated an era...
So for the people who it didn't make him the GOAT, the next benchmark that swayed some people, was the 2018 playoff run. That Cavs team was bad and he not only drug them to 50 wins in Year 15, he won 3 playoff series as an underdog in each series, and by consensus, his Game 1 of the 2018 Finals is viewed as one of the greatest games ever played----->adding to a career where he already has a number of greatest Finals games ever played...
That was thru 15 years, Mike's entire career, and that '18 playoff run and G1 Finals swayed some people...
Then he came to LA, but let's be honest and be clear. Most of us who thinks he's the GOAT thought he was BEFORE he got here, he'd played a full, 15-year career before he ever put on a Laker jersey. Myself, he could've retired after '16 and the conversation was over with. So everything he's done since has enhanced his case, and to me you can't go down as you age because it's not like it can erase what we saw in his first 15 years...
The fact is that coming to LA in his age-34, Year 16 season, coincided with his aging and decline. He had the first major injury of his career, and that trend has held throughout his Laker run because he was fukking old when he got here. He never lost a Rd1 series before becoming a Laker, never got hurt before becoming a Laker, both these things have amplified with his age...
He still won a title in Year 17 and that swayed some people. Some have been swayed by still being a Top 10-ish player in his late 30s and winning the All-Time scoring title at Year 20. Since winning his last title though, it's been more injuries, another missed playoff, 3 Rd1 losses (the first 3 of his career). If you're someone who has never thought he was the GOAT, this hurts him...
My response to that would be, keep it consistent and tell me the players who you felt legacies were impacted in their 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd seasons. If you did this with everyone who played forever, fine. But we know you didn't and no one else did, either. We have never given a fukk about what guys are doing at ages they traditionally suck, and while Bron doesnt "suck", he has never been tge same player after popping his groin in December 2018, that he was before. Even when they won in '20, that was a diminished version of him, still great enough to win a title, but that wasn't peak LeBron James...
He's never been the same since the Y16 injury and that should be okay, people are supposed to get worse with age, and he has, no different than anyone else. The only difference is while he's gotten worse, his "worse" has still been better than everyone else's worse as they aged, and yall mf's grade him differently because of it...
He was the greatest player of All-Time before he came to this poorly run franchise. Public perception of his legacy is being altered because you nikkas act like his first 15 years never happened. I wish he retired years ago, he is a novelty act now and he shouldn't be judged the same way as all these guys still creating and shaping their legacies, his has been set for years...
Torrential
LWO
right and someome who doesnt have chronic injury issues. longevity and return on investment is what a good GM should keep in mind. None of this hasty win now trade all assets bullshyt. That's how you end up with Mike muscalla and lose Zubac.
Exactly.
LeBron not out there helping the team he's helping himself. Compare this to when Joker, Steph, Ant are on the bench. True difference makers, not stat padders.
LMAO. That wall of text to say nothing. 2011 ended GOAT dreams for Lebron for non Stans. I’d say 2007 personally. People give him a pass for it because he was young going against a far superior team! Problem with that though is that I’d give him a pass if he played great but the team lost like MJ against the mighty Celtics where he set the scoring record that still stands today. Instead he put up 22ppg on 30 something percent shooting.
Lebron James 2007 Finals Stats | StatMuse
LeBron James averaged 22.0 points, 7.0 rebounds and 6.8 assists in 4 games in the 2007 NBA Finals.
No non Stan pictures young MJ putting up that garbage. Then he did the equivalent of MJ teaming up with Barkley and Bird after losing to the Pistons. All he’s done is try to stack the deck and STILL only got 3.5 rings in 20 years.
It’s why he has to constantly lie and embed his Klutch minions in the media. But only the Barbie buying, love song making Stan freaks are buying it. Lebron will never:
A. Be GOAT to the majority of NBA fans outside of his Stans
B. Have the global impact of M
C. Have the aesthetically pleasing game of MJ that made him the most famous athlete of all time
Hell MJ got more cheers than Lebron in his hometown at the 75 celebration. Players were talking about how his aura was above everyone else by a mile. No one cared about no damn Lebron lol.
I know it sucks but damn just let the shyt go. Living in denial doesn’t change reality
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
like the trump supporters
"now you are getting it"
use that same logic and go back year by year and team by team
the only thing that makes this year stand out is because he's marginally more pathetic and using his clout to do off the wall shyt
he's an icon and no matter where you rank him, the Lakers are fine and he will move into a GM like role regardless so everyone has to just wait until he doesnt want to play anymore. I shouldnt even type this shyt, but he should trade himself next year for the pieces the Lakers need... retire at the end of the season and then just come back as Lakers coach or GM
"now you are getting it"
use that same logic and go back year by year and team by team
the only thing that makes this year stand out is because he's marginally more pathetic and using his clout to do off the wall shyt
he's an icon and no matter where you rank him, the Lakers are fine and he will move into a GM like role regardless so everyone has to just wait until he doesnt want to play anymore. I shouldnt even type this shyt, but he should trade himself next year for the pieces the Lakers need... retire at the end of the season and then just come back as Lakers coach or GM
LMAO. That wall of text to say nothing. 2011 ended GOAT dreams for Lebron for non Stans. I’d say 2007 personally. People give him a pass for it because he was young going against a far superior team! Problem with that though is that I’d give him a pass if he played great but the team lost like MJ against the mighty Celtics where he set the scoring record that still stands today. Instead he put up 22ppg on 30 something percent shooting.
Lebron James 2007 Finals Stats | StatMuse
LeBron James averaged 22.0 points, 7.0 rebounds and 6.8 assists in 4 games in the 2007 NBA Finals.www.statmuse.com
No non Stan pictures young MJ putting up that garbage. Then he did the equivalent of MJ teaming up with Barkley and Bird after losing to the Pistons. All he’s done is try to stack the deck and STILL only got 3.5 rings in 20 years.
It’s why he has to constantly lie and embed his Klutch minions in the media. But only the Barbie buying, love song making Stan freaks are buying it. Lebron will never:
A. Be GOAT to the majority of NBA fans outside of his Stans
B. Have the global impact of M
C. Have the aesthetically pleasing game of MJ that made him the most famous athlete of all time
Hell MJ got more cheers than Lebron in his hometown at the 75 celebration. Players were talking about how his aura was above everyone else by a mile. No one cared about no damn Lebron lol.
I know it sucks but damn just let the shyt go. Living in denial doesn’t change reality
Get em doggy
Bron ain’t coaching or being no GM especially of the Lakers. He’s just gonna be apart of the Vegas team ownership group.
Born2BKing
Veteran
Supposed black men on the coli hate one of the only non c00n superstar athletes we ever seen. Makes me question the real demographics of the coli.The Bron hate is disgusting
vet minimum loading
Gonna get a quality big man and get Number 5 then all y’all fakkits can go in the bathroom and overdose on pills or something
