Mister Terrific
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Shaq got 15 first place votes in 02, Kobe got 1
Why would Kobe win MVP in 2007 when they won 42 games and Dirk shot 40% from 3 and led the league in per by like a mile on 67 win team
Kobe fans are deranged.
LeBron hurt the Lakers big time this year: this is in large part LeBron's fault.
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Shaq got 15 first place votes in 02, Kobe got 1
Why would Kobe win MVP in 2007 when they won 42 games and Dirk shot 40% from 3 and led the league in per by like a mile on 67 win team
Kobe fans are deranged.
Considering OP took his screen name from Tywin Lannister…and he was killed off on Game of Thrones in 2014…it makes sense for the rest of OP’s life to be stuck back then too.This is the only site on the internet where Kobe Stans can congregate and spew their garbage takes on a Bron vs Kobe debate lol.
That debate ended 10+ years ago
Yall are literally that Japanese soldier still “fighting” WW2 in 1970’s
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Let us all get along for two more first round exits fellas 
You mean the season where the starting 5 played a whopping 7 games together? That's how we know y'all wasn't watching these games.They pivoted to 27 year old Dwight who was 1st team all-NBA the season prior and they barely even made the playoffs. But I forgot it doesn't count because "Pau checked out"
Shaq was unequivocally the best player on those Lakers teams.
The fact that you losers rank Kobe above Shaq all-time is also a joke
Shaq obviously the most efficient player in the league 99, 00, 01, and always in the top 5 up to 04.
Kobe top 25 EFF in 99, top 15 in 00, top 5 in 01, top 10 in 02, top 5 in 03, top 10 in 04.
Shaq average PER 28.9 from 99-04; Kobe 23.9
Shaq defensive rating 84.2; Kobe 81.3
Don’t make me embarrass you again MC Ginsberg
VERY DISINGENUOUS TO USE FINALS NUMBERS BECAUSE THE REAL COMPETITION WAS IN THE WEST, AND KOBE UNEQUIVOCALLY OUTPLAYED SHAQ IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS
SHAQ DID FEAST ON THE WEAK EASTERN CONFERENCE CENTERS IN A CONCENTRATED EFFORT TO SECURE FINALS MVP
BUT EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE IN REAL TIME KNOWS KOBE WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD BY 2001 WHEN HE WAS AVERAGING 30 AND MAKING ALL-DEFENSE
ONLY THING SHAQ HAD ON KOBE WAS SENIORITY .. KEEP TRYIN THO
Lakers were 34-48 in 2005.Shaq got 15 first place votes in 02, Kobe got 1
Why would Kobe win MVP in 2007 when they won 42 games and Dirk shot 40% from 3 and led the league in per by like a mile on 67 win team
Kobe fans are deranged.
Shaq got 15 first place votes in 02, Kobe got 1
Why would Kobe win MVP in 2007 when they won 42 games and Dirk shot 40% from 3 and led the league in per by like a mile on 67 win team
Kobe fans are deranged.
SHAQ HAD SENIORITY .. IT WAS CONSIDERED HIS TEAM BUT KOBE WAS THE BETTER OVERALL PLAYER BY 2001. MVP MEANS NOTHING, ITS A NARRATIVE BASED AWARD
WESTBROOK WON THE MVP WHEN HIS TEAM WAS 6TH IN THE WEST LOLLL
BUT KOBE WIT 47 WINS LOSES TO SOMEONE WHO AVERAGED 15 PPG WHEN HE HAD A HISTORICAL SCORING SEASON AND SINGLE HANDEDLY CARRIED THE LAKERS ON HIS BACK TO THE PLAYOFFS
YEA OK
The season where Kobe, Dwight, and Artest each played 75+ games.
The Lakers were 25-22 in games Dwight, Kobe, and Pau played together
I said the starting 5, not your cherry picked 3. You brought up Dwight being all first team the previous year, when he clearly wasn't the same player and was actually a downgrade for them at the center position. And with all that they still had the best record post all star break.The season where Kobe, Dwight, and Artest each played 75+ games.
The Lakers were 25-22 in games Dwight, Kobe, and Pau played together
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This is the only site on the internet where Kobe Stans can congregate and spew their garbage takes on a Bron vs Kobe debate lol.
That debate ended 10+ years ago
Yall are literally that Japanese soldier still “fighting” WW2 in 1970’s
at nikkas trying to relitigate Kobe and LeBron...
That convo was on its deathbed after Bron won b2b in Miami and its been completely OVER since the 2016 Finals 9 fukking years ago.....except to Kobe Stans
Mf's can't objectively give any reason Kobe should be considered better other than "feels" and "feels" of NBA players. Yall do realize they played in the same NBA, at the same time, for 13 years? Bron has more of every tangible metric over Kobe within that 13-year time frame, besides All-Defensive teams, and Basketball Culture has long acknowledged Kobe getting popularity votes for All-D later in his career...
Every other objective, hard metric that measures greatness validates LeBron as the greater player by a comfortable margin....they played in the same NBA with each other for 13 years.
But, "feels", I guess...
Shaq got 15 first place votes in 02, Kobe got 1
Why would Kobe win MVP in 2007 when they won 42 games and Dirk shot 40% from 3 and led the league in per by like a mile on 67 win team
Kobe fans are deranged.
It’s embarrassing that they’re trying to re-litigate any of this. Last month someone on here was trying to argue that the 2003-10 cavaliers built a championship caliber roster around LeBron. It’s 2025. Find something new to talk about in sports besides trying to pin the lakers or cavaliers incompetence on LeBron or pretending that Kobe was the one leading those early 2000’s lakers teams or that Kobe should’ve been the mvp in 2005, 2006, and 2007 when he wasn’t even close any of those years.
Man shut yo ass up, changed your username and acting like we dont remember you an off brand version of @Remote
You wasnt repping BKN back in the day when you was on the Heat and Cavs dikk
"Re-litigating" lol thats literally what you Bron nutsukcers have been doing for over a decade. You right it's 2025, find something new to talk about besides deranged anecdotes about MJ playing against trash in the 90s which you Bron nutriders have been pushing for 15 years. But when those discussions are happening you're just fine with that aren't you, mexicac fakkit
"Re-litigating" when both Phil Jackson and Shaq told yall what it was in real time during the 01 playoffs
But hey y'all let the man who lives in Japan, the mexicac fakkit who posts shirtless pics on bodybuilding forums, the 65 year old who uses frat humor and gay gifs, and the racist latins like @Remote and @Mantis Toboggan M.D., and some cross country nomad who claims that black people in LA love Bron more than Kobe tell it
But hey y'all let the man who lives in Japan, the mexicac fakkit who posts shirtless pics on bodybuilding forums, the 65 year old who uses frat humor and gay gifs, and the racist latins like @Remote and @Mantis Toboggan M.D., and some cross country nomad who claims that black people in LA love Bron more than Kobe tell it
theres some truth to this but you're also being a bit disingenius also, shaq was teh best player in the game in those years
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"Re-litigate" by gawd the LeGBT so insufferable