LeBron hurt the Lakers big time this year: this is in large part LeBron's fault.

[JesusFOREVER]

Shaq had zero comp- of course he dominated

Kobe was the real best player on the team though

 

[holidayinn21]

Bron stans love spewing stats, until it gets thrown back in their face, then they want "context" and "nuance"

A disingenuous group

 

[jaydawg08]

Bron stans love spewing stats, until it gets thrown back in their face, then they want "context" and "nuance"

A disingenuous group

I mean yeah that’s how it works.. you provide BOTH.

It’s why Wilt isn’t the unanimous GOAT even tho his stats jump off the table

 

[Osmosis]

I said the starting 5, not your cherry picked 3. You brought up Dwight being all first team the previous year, when he clearly wasn't the same player and was actually a downgrade for them at the center position. And with all that they still had the best record post all star break.

And the team was mediocre when they all played together. They were 25-22 when their three best players played. They were right at .500 in games Kobe played with Nash. The injury excuse doesn't fly when they were barely winning when healthy.

Dwight was 27 and fresh off 1st team all-NBA. Are you suggesting Kobe made him worse?

 

[Torrential]

cool thread OP

 

[Sccit]

theres some truth to this but you're also being a bit disingenius also, shaq was teh best player in the game in those years

SOME DEBATED THAT, BUT HEADS ALREADY KNEW KOBE WAS THE BEST ALL AROUND

 

[Chris Cool]

And the team was mediocre when they all played together. They were 25-22 when their three best players played. They were right at .500 in games Kobe played with Nash. The injury excuse doesn't fly when they were barely winning when healthy.

Dwight was 27 and fresh off 1st team all-NBA. Are you suggesting Kobe made him worse?

Yet they had the best record when people started getting healthy.

Keep exposing yourself.

Dwight was actually fresh off of back surgery and clearly wasn't the same player.

 

[Osmosis]

Yet they had the best record when people started getting healthy.

Keep exposing yourself.

Dwight was actually fresh off of back surgery and clearly wasn't the same player.

And Dwight was still 3rd team All-NBA that season and 2nd team All-NBA the next No matter how you slice it he was still one of the best centers in the league.

They were 8-14 when their four best players played together and 25-22 when their three best players played together. Dwight and Kobe played the whole season and they barely made the playoffs. That's the reality. Plenty of teams go on runs post all-star break (this year's Lakers, Bucks, and Bulls are examples). The Lakers were playing with playoff intensity when other teams had their foot off the gas but the bottom line is they were a mediocre team.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Lakers front office is the luckiest in sports. They get handed superstars to build around.

Bron can't "make" them do anything. They have to steer the ship. LeGM had a rep lonnnnng before he got to LA. No one forced them to sign Bron.

Stop blaming a player and focus on the people leading that organization. They lucky Silver/ESPN/Nike etc., gave Nico the Flagg in exchange for Luka.

 

[JYoung24]

I Learned to just let them live. This the only place this shyt happens. All the Kobe stans I know in Real Life give it up years ago. After 2016 i don't believe I ever had the Kobe vs LeBron debate again. clearly the worst fan base in this site. They think cause the group up and dap each other their right about shyt lol

I hear that kobe better than LeBron all the time in real life

 

[Gotright]

I hear that kobe better tter than LeBron all the times in real life

That's cool young man. What u believe?

 

[Heretic]

I hear that kobe better than LeBron all the time in real life

Same here. Whenever I hear people say Bron is the GOAT they're usually teenagers or super young 20 somethings. The barbershop usually debates Kobe and MJ, with most saying MJ is the GOAT and older heads throw in the occasional Kareem or even Magic. Nobody argues that Bron has the GOAT career, but it's like the Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith argument. Emmitt got the numbers but it's because he played so long, as a player there's no comparison. Doesn't mean Emmitt isn't great but Barry was skilled in a way that Emmitt could only dream of.

 

[NotAHotep]

Same here. Whenever I hear people say Bron is the GOAT they're usually teenagers or super young 20 somethings. The barbershop usually debates Kobe and MJ, with most saying MJ is the GOAT and older heads throw in the occasional Kareem or even Magic. Nobody argues that Bron has the GOAT career, but it's like the Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith argument. Emmitt got the numbers but it's because he played so long, as a player there's no comparison. Doesn't mean Emmitt isn't great but Barry was skilled in a way that Emmitt could only dream of.

Because of his longevity, people forget that he has an all time great peak.

 

[JYoung24]

Same here. Whenever I hear people say Bron is the GOAT they're usually teenagers or super young 20 somethings. The barbershop usually debates Kobe and MJ, with most saying MJ is the GOAT and older heads throw in the occasional Kareem or even Magic. Nobody argues that Bron has the GOAT career, but it's like the Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith argument. Emmitt got the numbers but it's because he played so long, as a player there's no comparison. Doesn't mean Emmitt isn't great but Barry was skilled in a way that Emmitt could only dream of.

Facts or i only here lebron being better on sportscenter by but lebron got the media on lock he still getting called the face of the league and he ain't even the best player in the league

 

[Heretic]

Facts or i only here lebron being better on sportscenter by but lebron got the media on lock he still getting called the face of the league and he ain't even the best player in the league

Bron has been great for a LONG time but he hasn't been the best player in the league for years and even when he was there were other players that were just as good at certain points, certainly not as long though.