Even if you forget Shaq, Kobe played 6+ more seasons than Lebron. Act like you can just ignore that when comparing career totals brehs.
And the ring-counting, “it’s all about the W’s” shyt becomes the most illogical, stupid argument when you start adding second-fiddle credit.
Either the #1 guy totally determines whether you win and lose, and thus ring-counting and series wins are the sole measure of greatness for #1's
Or the #2 guy and other teammates matter, so THE #1 GUY CANNOT BE EVALUATED BY RINGS ALONE BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HIS TEAMMATES.
You can't get past that logic, all you can do is say something stupid and blow it off. But it's either option a or option b, it can't be both.
No, Kobe contributed, but it's dumb as fukk to say "Kobe beat this many 50-win teams!" and compare that number head-to-head to other players when he wasn't even the best player on his own team for most of those series.
You have a graphic where beating the 73 win Warriors is the same as beating the 50-win Nuggets, and winning the Finals against an elite 47-19 Thunder team doesn't count at all. Where being the best player on a shyt team that takes the 66-win Celtics to 7 counts for nothing, but being the 2nd-best player against a completely outmatched Nets team is worth everything. It was an idiot graphic years ago when it wasn't even accurate then, and it keeps getting off by more and stupider every year.
The Spurs were just ONE team I listed. Four Boston, four Chicago, four Indiana, three Detroit, three San Antonio, two Golden State. That's 20 series right there, and those teams were elite defensively for at least 16-17 of them. Not to mention a number of other good defensive squads like the 2011 Mavs, 2015 Hawks, and 2016 Raptors.
Sorry, but Kobe just doesn't have as many series against elite defenses as Lebron. You want me to list them by ranking? You don't, because it ain't fukking close.
I didn't "blame Kobe for losing". Someone said Kobe couldn't score as much when he came into the league because the teams were tougher then, and I pointed out that the squads that played them tough weren't all that tough. I didn't say one word that blamed Kobe for the losses. We weren't even talking about wins and losses, we were talking about the quality of the teams Kobe was trying to score against.
You do got that right. Kobestans been posting the same fukking graphic since 2015, and every time anything about Lebron comes up, they throw that graphic up there again when it's as irrelevant as fukk, was wrong then and it keeps getting more wrong every year.
Now watch four more posters ignore every argument to deflect more about me having too many receipts against them, like that a bad thing.
let's see how Bron stans spin this.
When was melo ever top 3 hell he was never top 5