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LeBron is one of the most efficient players of all time. Take them hater shades off b
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LeBron is one of the most efficient players of all time. Take them hater shades off b
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Doesn't matter who's in the lead, Bron is up there.
stat padding what? is he not supposed to score points, pass the ball to open players and grab rebounds anymore?
@Juggalo Fred ask @Heretic the same question about Russ. Or is it different?
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Kareem was 1-9 until Magic joined the team, and people call him top-3 all-time.
Kobe was 5-15, and just 2-11 as the team leader
Shaq was 4-15
Bird was 3-10
Dream is in my top-5 all-time and he 2-16
EVERYONE in modern bball loses more often than they win, even Jordan.
Those numbers can't be right. We are talking about big stage losses and wins. Not players get ousted in series before the finals. If he wants to be perceived in top 3, then he needs to have that finals record at .500 or above before his career comes to a rap.
So what the Lakers did when Kareem was 39-40 is what defines him as a top-3 player.
And it's okay to be, say, the defending champs and get wasted in the first round by a team with a losing record, but drag a G-league roster to the Finals and THEN your legacy takes a hit.
Don't you see how stupid such logic is?
It's all the product of backwards-ass thinking created in the 1990s and later by guys who wanted to defend whoever their hero was at the time and so they created the logic after the fact.
Jerry West was 1-9 in the Finals and he's the logo of the entire NBA.
Wilt Chamberlain was 2-4 in the Finals and was still considered a top-3 player in NBA history by virtually everyone at the time.
Oscar Robertson was a legend even though he didn't win a title till he was almost retired.
Kareem was already considered by most people to be the greatest baller in NBA history long before he got around to winning his 2nd title.
You saying that Kareem would have lost that GOAT status if the Lakers had dropped a couple Finals when he was a 40-year-old sidekick?
Cap went 2-7 for 4 points and 3 boards (with 5 fouls) while Magic and Worthy carried him in Game 7 against Detroit, but THAT is a better mark on his legacy than Lebron dragging Boobie and Delly to the FInals.
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It is why he he has more losses than wins. He is not a risk taker and is not willing to come out of his comfort zone to guarantee the victory the majority of the time. His game still looks the same. Its why in his finals losses he has gotten embarrassed or beat in 5 games even with him getting triple doubles. Those triple doubles are not needed and he needs to start focusing on other factors that insure a victory for his team. An example was last years finals where he expended all his energy trying to one up Durant even though Durant looked more unstoppable than him. He should have allowed Kyrie and Love to carry the offensive load while he focused most of his energy trying to contain Durant instead of trying to match what he was doing offensively. This was not the year after where that type of game was needed. Last season required him to contain Durant and he did not want to take on that challenge.
So what the Lakers did when Kareem was 39-40 is what defines him as a top-3 player.
And it's okay to be, say, the defending champs and get wasted in the first round by a team with a losing record, but drag a G-league roster to the Finals and THEN your legacy takes a hit.
Don't you see how stupid such logic is?
It's all the product of backwards-ass thinking created in the 1990s and later by guys who wanted to defend whoever their hero was at the time and so they created the logic after the fact.
Jerry West was 1-9 in the Finals and he's the logo of the entire NBA.
Wilt Chamberlain was 2-4 in the Finals and was still considered a top-3 player in NBA history by virtually everyone at the time.
Oscar Robertson was a legend even though he didn't win a title till he was almost retired.
Kareem was already considered by most people to be the greatest baller in NBA history long before he got around to winning his 2nd title.
You saying that Kareem would have lost that GOAT status if the Lakers had dropped a couple Finals when he was a 40-year-old sidekick?
Cap went 2-7 for 4 points and 3 boards (with 5 fouls) while Magic and Worthy carried him in Game 7 against Detroit, but THAT is a better mark on his legacy than Lebron dragging Boobie and Delly to the FInals.
Jordan raised the bar. If you're not perfect in the finals you can't fukk with him.
Kareem was 1-9 until Magic joined the team, and people call him top-3 all-time.
Kobe was 5-15, and just 2-11 as the team leader
Shaq was 4-15
Bird was 3-10
Dream is in my top-5 all-time and he 2-16
EVERYONE in modern bball loses more often than they win, even Jordan.
this that coli new math
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So what the Lakers did when Kareem was 39-40 is what defines him as a top-3 player.
And it's okay to be, say, the defending champs and get wasted in the first round by a team with a losing record, but drag a G-league roster to the Finals and THEN your legacy takes a hit.
Don't you see how stupid such logic is?
It's all the product of backwards-ass thinking created in the 1990s and later by guys who wanted to defend whoever their hero was at the time and so they created the logic after the fact.
Jerry West was 1-9 in the Finals and he's the logo of the entire NBA.
Wilt Chamberlain was 2-4 in the Finals and was still considered a top-3 player in NBA history by virtually everyone at the time.
Oscar Robertson was a legend even though he didn't win a title till he was almost retired.
Kareem was already considered by most people to be the greatest baller in NBA history long before he got around to winning his 2nd title.
You saying that Kareem would have lost that GOAT status if the Lakers had dropped a couple Finals when he was a 40-year-old sidekick?
Cap went 2-7 for 4 points and 3 boards (with 5 fouls) while Magic and Worthy carried him in Game 7 against Detroit, but THAT is a better mark on his legacy than Lebron dragging Boobie and Delly to the FInals.
Its how we measure the greats. You guys keep trying to lower the bar. Next thing you know some player in the future is going to win less championships than Lebron, but usurp all his stats numbers and then you guys or the next generation is going to start calling him the GOAT. Greats are measured by winning and losing. It has always been like that and it won't change soon.
Even if Lebron played the greatest defensive game he could have played at 32, you do realize that such a game could only have somewhat contained Durant at best, and meanwhile the Warriors had the greatest shooting guard combo in history in ADDITION to Durant and better defenders across the board than Cleveland and a better bench and better coaching too?
Yes, Lebron should have spent all his energy using magic wizardry to shut down a 7' tall elite jump shooter that NO ONE in the NBA can shut down.
While Kyrie should have been given MORE than the 25 shots/game he already put up because guarding Curry clearly wasn't nearly as important.
And Kevin Love shot 39% in the Finals on 14 shots/game, but the trick was giving him even MORE offensive responsibilities while the DPOY guarded him.
Meanwhile, the Cleveland bench going 26-81 for the series (while the Warriors bench shot 60-118) is going to get BETTER with Lebron doing less?
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So what the Lakers did when Kareem was 39-40 is what defines him as a top-3 player.
And it's okay to be, say, the defending champs and get wasted in the first round by a team with a losing record, but drag a G-league roster to the Finals and THEN your legacy takes a hit.
Don't you see how stupid such logic is?
It's all the product of backwards-ass thinking created in the 1990s and later by guys who wanted to defend whoever their hero was at the time and so they created the logic after the fact.
Jerry West was 1-9 in the Finals and he's the logo of the entire NBA.
Wilt Chamberlain was 2-4 in the Finals and was still considered a top-3 player in NBA history by virtually everyone at the time.
Oscar Robertson was a legend even though he didn't win a title till he was almost retired.
Kareem was already considered by most people to be the greatest baller in NBA history long before he got around to winning his 2nd title.
You saying that Kareem would have lost that GOAT status if the Lakers had dropped a couple Finals when he was a 40-year-old sidekick?
Cap went 2-7 for 4 points and 3 boards (with 5 fouls) while Magic and Worthy carried him in Game 7 against Detroit, but THAT is a better mark on his legacy than Lebron dragging Boobie and Delly to the FInals.
His overall achievements is what puts Kareem up there, those 6 rings seals the deal even if he was only FMVP twice. You tried to throw in playoff losses. That’s not how we count those nikka and you know it. We only do all these mental gymnastics when it comes to Lebron. Stop with the excuses. Kareem 6-4. Magic 5-4 Jordan 6-0 Bill 13-1 Bron 3-5(as of now, he got a couple more finals to lose before it’s said and done) when you compare those finals records, one is not like the others. Jerry West, as great as he is, is also a product of white privilege from his time period. Everybody including Jerry himself knows Jordan should be the logo for the NBA.
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Even if Lebron played the greatest defensive game he could have played at 32, you do realize that such a game could only have somewhat contained Durant at best, and meanwhile the Warriors had the greatest shooting guard combo in history in ADDITION to Durant and better defenders across the board than Cleveland and a better bench and better coaching too?
Yes, Lebron should have spent all his energy using magic wizardry to shut down a 7' tall elite jump shooter that NO ONE in the NBA can shut down.
While Kyrie should have been given MORE than the 25 shots/game he already put up because guarding Curry clearly wasn't nearly as important.
And Kevin Love shot 39% in the Finals on 14 shots/game, but the trick was giving him even MORE offensive responsibilities while the DPOY guarded him.
Meanwhile, the Cleveland bench going 26-81 for the series (while the Warriors bench shot 60-118) is going to get BETTER with Lebron doing less?
Making excuses! I've seen Tony Allen help Memphis Grizzles push OKC to a seven games twice by him playing great D on Durant. Lebron is the leader so he has to set the tone. No one can stop Durant, but he can be contained if you play him with discipline. Kyrie and Love followed Lebron's lead, which was to try to outscore them. Lebron focused on the wrong strategy in last year's series.
I'm a bron fan and I agree. Cant ring chase and build super teams for the last 8 years and think nobody is going to hold them Ls against you when talking all time goat spots.
We're at that part of the year where it's LeBron dikksucking time and how much better he is than every other player to ever live
In 6 months when he gets embarrassed again in the Finals, his dikkriders will once again retreat as they did in Summer 2011, Summer 2014, Summer 2015 and Summer 2017
Kareem was 1-9 until Magic joined the team, and people call him top-3 all-time.
Kobe was 5-15, and just 2-11 as the team leader
Shaq was 4-15
Bird was 3-10
Dream is in my top-5 all-time and he 2-16
EVERYONE in modern bball loses more often than they win, even Jordan.
this that coli new math
I literally just listed whether they won or not - how dumb is you?
Winning and losing is a team accomplishment, it is part of the equation but it ain't the whole thing.
You legit gonna try to claim that Wilt and Kareem weren't already considered among the GOATs long before they won their 2nd rings?
And Lebron already has his 3 Finals MVPs, which matches or beats everyone in history not named Jordan. He got that.
That's how YOU count that, but that shyt didn't start until post-Jordan.
Back in 1975 no one was saying, "Wilt is only 2-4 in the Finals, therefore he's no 4-1 George Mikan."
Back in 1980 no one was saying, "Kareem on his way to winning his 6th MVP but he only has 1 title, therefore he's not in that GOAT conversation."
Back in 1986 no one was saying, "Magic is only 3-3 in Finals, he doesn't belong in the same conversation as 7-2 John Havlicek."
Hell, even in 2008 the Kobe-slurpers weren't saying, "Kobe's 3-2 record in the Finals clearly drops him behind 4-0 Tim Duncan."
The absolute stupidest shyt there is claiming that Kareem's 6-4 Finals record is meaningfully different from Lebron's 3-5 record. The Lakers EASILY could have dropped the '87 and '88 Finals, and then Kareem would be 4-6. Kareem's play as a 30 minute/game sidekick at 40-years-old wasn't the primary reasons the Lakers won or lost...so how the hell is his entire legacy going to be defined by what prime Magic and prime Worthy were doing in those years?
You keep implying that Kareem being a sidekick alongside greats in '87-'88 is more impressive than Lebron dragging up nobodies in '07 and '15. That don't make no sense at all. EVERYONE with a brain knows that Lebron's playoff performances in 2007 and 2015 were better than Kareem's performances in 1987 and 1988.
And you're saying that losing in the first round better than losing in the Finals. That's just about the stupidest narrative around.
Ya'all are worse than the stat nerds who go by pure numbers. You're saying that ONE number defines an entire career, even though that number arbitrary as hell and depend on a ton of shyt that don't got nothing to do with how the player actually played himself.
fukk outta here. Kobe was putting up 27 6 6 in his 17th season the year he tore his achillies. We'll see how Bron looks 2 years from now
nikkas acting like LeBron is 40 or something. He's 32 and doing what a 32 year old superstar should be doing. Kobe was 32 in 2011 and put up good numbers that year. Let's see where LeBron is when he's 36 or 37. And father time comes QUICK. Kobe went from being a star at 34 averaging 27ppg to being washed up at 36. I'll be impressed if LeBron is still averaging 30ppg at those ages a few years from now. Everybody breaks down. Everybody.
