LeBron James in his 15th season..

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

I literally just listed whether they won or not - how dumb is you?







Winning and losing is a team accomplishment, it is part of the equation but it ain't the whole thing.

You legit gonna try to claim that Wilt and Kareem weren't already considered among the GOATs long before they won their 2nd rings?

And Lebron already has his 3 Finals MVPs, which matches or beats everyone in history not named Jordan. He got that.





That's how YOU count that, but that shyt didn't start until post-Jordan.

Back in 1975 no one was saying, "Wilt is only 2-4 in the Finals, therefore he's no 4-1 George Mikan."

Back in 1980 no one was saying, "Kareem on his way to winning his 6th MVP but he only has 1 title, therefore he's not in that GOAT conversation."

Back in 1986 no one was saying, "Magic is only 3-3 in Finals, he doesn't belong in the same conversation as 7-2 John Havlicek."

Hell, even in 2008 the Kobe-slurpers weren't saying, "Kobe's 3-2 record in the Finals clearly drops him behind 4-0 Tim Duncan."


The absolute stupidest shyt there is claiming that Kareem's 6-4 Finals record is meaningfully different from Lebron's 3-5 record. The Lakers EASILY could have dropped the '87 and '88 Finals, and then Kareem would be 4-6. Kareem's play as a 30 minute/game sidekick at 40-years-old wasn't the primary reasons the Lakers won or lost...so how the hell is his entire legacy going to be defined by what prime Magic and prime Worthy were doing in those years?

You keep implying that Kareem being a sidekick alongside greats in '87-'88 is more impressive than Lebron dragging up nobodies in '07 and '15. That don't make no sense at all. EVERYONE with a brain knows that Lebron's playoff performances in 2007 and 2015 were better than Kareem's performances in 1987 and 1988.

And you're saying that losing in the first round better than losing in the Finals. That's just about the stupidest narrative around.

Ya'all are worse than the stat nerds who go by pure numbers. You're saying that ONE number defines an entire career, even though that number arbitrary as hell and depend on a ton of shyt that don't got nothing to do with how the player actually played himself.

No nikka that’s how everybody including the NBA counts them. While it’s all in the same post season, The NBA finals are obviously different than the playoffs and you know it. Kareem legacy is not defined by Championshios, overall accomplishments is how Kareem’s legacy is usually defined and notice people rarely compare his 6 rings to Jordan’s 6. Lebron lost in 2007 so who really gives a fukk? He always gets credit for dragging trash to the finals so what’s your point? And, everybody knows Lebron is within the top 2-4 players of all time so nobody is defining his legacy off his finals record as a whole you dumbass. When you talk the GOAT, obviously championships will be a key discussion. Even in football. The GOAT QB arguement was Joe Montana vs Tom Brady and the biggest discussion is theyre Super Bowl records(Montana being 4-0, Brady having 5) Championships will always have an impact when you discuss the GOATs with other factors. Also. Nobody gives a fukk what was being said back in 1975. Your a liar too, because when Kobe won his 4th and 5th rings during the whole “Kobe vs Jordan” discussion. Rings were mentioned during the SOHH days.

Kareem averaged 21.7 on 52% in 1987 BTW you dikkhead. He was the second best scorer that series. 88 is where he played poorly, and still was the 3rd best scorer.

Kareem was what? 40-41 during those series? I should give more credit to Lebron for getting washed in the finals than a old Kareem for still trying to contribute to the Lakers dynasty? nikka
SHUT
THE
FUKK
UP

And before you disrespect the great Cap, why don’t you mention 2011 where Bron put on the GOAT choke display. FOH

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

We're at that part of the year where it's LeBron dikksucking time and how much better he is than every other player to ever live

In 6 months when he gets embarrassed again in the Finals, his dikkriders will once again retreat as they did in Summer 2011, Summer 2014, Summer 2015 and Summer 2017

And then it will be, "he played too many minutes. He had no rest". Keep putting up these garbage stats in the garbage east. Wear yourself out.

 

[Reece]

And then it will be, "he played too many minutes. He had no rest". Keep putting up these garbage stats in the garbage east. Wear yourself out.

Don't forget the other excuses they got

• Lebron has nothing to prove anymore (said by same people who are trying to prove how great he is right now )
• It was never fair to begin with. Golden State cheated. The fact LeBron even got to the Finals is good enough.
• Finals are a team accomplishment.
• Is it better to lose in the Finals or lose before you get to the Finals.

LeBron stans stay talking out both sides of their mouths. When he wins, he's the greatest for winning the Finals. When he loses, Finals don't matter.

They're the WOAT. I don't even acknowledge them as humans anymore. WOAT people.

 

[Reece]

this that coli new math

I was trying to figure out what fukkboy metrics he was using but, I learned long ago not to engage that retarded ass nikka in convo

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Making excuses! I've seen Tony Allen help Memphis Grizzles push OKC to a seven games twice by him playing great D on Durant. Lebron is the leader so he has to set the tone. No one can stop Durant, but he can be contained if you play him with discipline.

What are you saying, that if Lebron had played all-world defense on Durant and "contained" him to, say, 25ppg on 45% shooting while doing LESS than Durant on offense, that somehow Kyrie, Love, JR, and a completely inferior Cav bench would have magically outscored Curry, Klay, Draymond, and the superior Golden State bench by so much that it would have made up the deficit with Lebron not scoring?



Did you not see what Cleveland looked like all season long with anyone other than Lebron running things?


As far as Tony goes, Durant finished off Memphis with 39 points in Game 7 in 2011, and he was the 22-year-old, unpolished version of Durant.

Durant had ONE bad game against Memphis in 2014, in the other six games he scored 33, 36, 30, 33, 26, and 36. And that's with DPOY Marc Gasol backing up Allen in the paint.

Durant averaged 28ppg on 44% shooting against Tony Allen in his playoff career, and that's ALL the pre-25-year-old version of Durant, every year with fewer weapons around him to take the defense's attention than the 2017 Golden State Durant had.

If an all-time great perimeter defender like Tony Allen does nothing all game but sell out on defending Durant, AND he has a strong defensive scheme and a great rim protector behind him, then he can "somewhat" reduce Durant's efficiency while still not really containing him.

Let's say that Lebron had managed to do that, even though 2017 Durant is a much better player than 2011 Durant and even though Lebron didn't have shyt for a rim protector behind him. Then who is stopping Curry and Klay and the rest of the Warriors? You already said that Kyrie should have focused even MORE energy on offense (even though he was already shooting 25 times a game), so how the Cavs going to win?

The numbers aren't there. Curry is better than Kyrie, Klay is better than JR, Love wasn't getting it done, the Golden State bench is WAY better than the Cleveland bench...and now you want Lebron to be doing less than Durant too?

Making excuses! I've seen Tony Allen help Memphis Grizzles push OKC to a seven games twice by him playing great D on Durant. Lebron is the leader so he has to set the tone. No oKyrie and Love followed Lebron's lead, which was to try to outscore them. Lebron focused on the wrong strategy in last year's series.

That don't make no sense with what you said earlier.

You said that Kyrie should have carried the offense more, even though he shot 25 times/game already, now you blame all that shooting on "following Lebron's lead"...what should Kyrie have done then?

Love sucked on offense averaging 39% shooting on 14 shots/game, and before you said he should have shot even more, but now you're saying that he was trying to "outscore them" and that was a bad thing and that was somehow Lebron's fault?

And again, the Cleveland bench was 26-81 while the Golden State bench was 60-118....how the hell does Lebron running the offense LESS help that?

 

[Reece]

His overall achievements is what puts Kareem up there, those 6 rings seals the deal even if he was only FMVP twice. You tried to throw in playoff losses. That’s not how we count those nikka and you know it. We only do all these mental gymnastics when it comes to Lebron. Stop with the excuses. Kareem 6-4. Magic 5-4 Jordan 6-0 Bill 13-1 Bron 3-5(as of now, he got a couple more finals to lose before it’s said and done) when you compare those finals records, one is not like the others. Jerry West, as great as he is, is also a product of white privilege from his time period. Everybody including Jerry himself knows Jordan should be the logo for the NBA.

Also, I'm about to go tell all my Philly nikkas that it doesn't matter if the Eagles ever get a ring.

Championships don't define how good you are

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kareem was 1-9 until Magic joined the team, and people call him top-3 all-time.

Kobe was 5-15, and just 2-11 as the team leader

Shaq was 4-15

Bird was 3-10

Dream is in my top-5 all-time and he 2-16

EVERYONE in modern bball loses more often than they win, even Jordan.

this that coli new math

I was trying to figure out what fukkboy metrics he was using but, I learned long ago not to engage that retarded ass nikka in convo

MaliktheRapper negged you for your post in the thread LeBron James in his 15th season... With the following comment: You sound dumb. Shut up nikka.
7 minutes ago

I literally just listed how many seasons they won or lost and ya'all calling it "new math" and "metrics."

 

[Jplaya2023]

I literally just listed whether they won or not - how dumb is you?







Winning and losing is a team accomplishment, it is part of the equation but it ain't the whole thing.

You legit gonna try to claim that Wilt and Kareem weren't already considered among the GOATs long before they won their 2nd rings?

And Lebron already has his 3 Finals MVPs, which matches or beats everyone in history not named Jordan. He got that.





That's how YOU count that, but that shyt didn't start until post-Jordan.

Back in 1975 no one was saying, "Wilt is only 2-4 in the Finals, therefore he's no 4-1 George Mikan."

Back in 1980 no one was saying, "Kareem on his way to winning his 6th MVP but he only has 1 title, therefore he's not in that GOAT conversation."

Back in 1986 no one was saying, "Magic is only 3-3 in Finals, he doesn't belong in the same conversation as 7-2 John Havlicek."

Hell, even in 2008 the Kobe-slurpers weren't saying, "Kobe's 3-2 record in the Finals clearly drops him behind 4-0 Tim Duncan."


The absolute stupidest shyt there is claiming that Kareem's 6-4 Finals record is meaningfully different from Lebron's 3-5 record. The Lakers EASILY could have dropped the '87 and '88 Finals, and then Kareem would be 4-6. Kareem's play as a 30 minute/game sidekick at 40-years-old wasn't the primary reasons the Lakers won or lost...so how the hell is his entire legacy going to be defined by what prime Magic and prime Worthy were doing in those years?

You keep implying that Kareem being a sidekick alongside greats in '87-'88 is more impressive than Lebron dragging up nobodies in '07 and '15. That don't make no sense at all. EVERYONE with a brain knows that Lebron's playoff performances in 2007 and 2015 were better than Kareem's performances in 1987 and 1988.

And you're saying that losing in the first round better than losing in the Finals. That's just about the stupidest narrative around.

Ya'all are worse than the stat nerds who go by pure numbers. You're saying that ONE number defines an entire career, even though that number arbitrary as hell and depend on a ton of shyt that don't got nothing to do with how the player actually played himself.

you know what u doing when we say 3-5 we talking about finals record, you bringing up everything lol it don't work like that chief. no one is going to win rings every year of their career

 

[MR. Conclusion]

Deep playoff runs.
Olympics play.
15 seasons.

His durability has to be one of the most important factors when considering where he ranks on the all-time player list.

 

[Shutdown10]

What are you saying, that if Lebron had played all-world defense on Durant and "contained" him to, say, 25ppg on 45% shooting while doing LESS than Durant on offense, that somehow Kyrie, Love, JR, and a completely inferior Cav bench would have magically outscored Curry, Klay, Draymond, and the superior Golden State bench by so much that it would have made up the deficit with Lebron not scoring?



Did you not see what Cleveland looked like all season long with anyone other than Lebron running things?


As far as Tony goes, Durant finished off Memphis with 39 points in Game 7 in 2011, and he was the 22-year-old, unpolished version of Durant.

Durant had ONE bad game against Memphis in 2014, in the other six games he scored 33, 36, 30, 33, 26, and 36. And that's with DPOY Marc Gasol backing up Allen in the paint.

Durant averaged 28ppg on 44% shooting against Tony Allen in his playoff career, and that's ALL the pre-25-year-old version of Durant, every year with fewer weapons around him to take the defense's attention than the 2017 Golden State Durant had.

If an all-time great perimeter defender like Tony Allen does nothing all game but sell out on defending Durant, AND he has a strong defensive scheme and a great rim protector behind him, then he can "somewhat" reduce Durant's efficiency while still not really containing him.

Let's say that Lebron had managed to do that, even though 2017 Durant is a much better player than 2011 Durant and even though Lebron didn't have shyt for a rim protector behind him. Then who is stopping Curry and Klay and the rest of the Warriors? You already said that Kyrie should have focused even MORE energy on offense (even though he was already shooting 25 times a game), so how the Cavs going to win?

The numbers aren't there. Curry is better than Kyrie, Klay is better than JR, Love wasn't getting it done, the Golden State bench is WAY better than the Cleveland bench...and now you want Lebron to be doing less than Durant too?






That don't make no sense with what you said earlier.

You said that Kyrie should have carried the offense more, even though he shot 25 times/game already, now you blame all that shooting on "following Lebron's lead"...what should Kyrie have done then?

Love sucked on offense averaging 39% shooting on 14 shots/game, and before you said he should have shot even more, but now you're saying that he was trying to "outscore them" and that was a bad thing and that was somehow Lebron's fault?

And again, the Cleveland bench was 26-81 while the Golden State bench was 60-118....how the hell does Lebron running the offense LESS help that?

Lebron set the tone that offense was going to be prioritized over defense against the Warriors. Kyrie and Love only followed what the leader was doing. If Lebron would have made defense the main focus, then the series would have been more competitive win or lose because they would have followed his lead.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

LeBron haters are in here using logic that argues Kobe had a better 2000 finals than LeBron had in 2017 and that Shaq had a better finals in 2006 when he averaged 14/11 than he did in 1995 (averaged 28/12) or 2004 (averaged 27/11). @The Dankster they're actually arguing Kareem averaging 13 and 4 on 41% shooting in 1988 is better for his legacy than his averaging 26.6/8.1/4.4/1.7/2.1 in 1984 or his 32.6/12.1/5.4 in 1974 :laughingphil:

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

so nikkas really use the fact that LeBron doesn't get injured, as a reason to criticize him ? this thread is crazy

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

so nikkas really use the fact that LeBron doesn't get injured, as a reason to criticize him ? this thread is crazy

I used to hear Vikings fans at the ale house in Orlando say this to diminish what was doing in Green Bay. There’s an old saying: The best ability is availability

 

[Regular_P]

LeBron's numbers, like everyone's right now, need to be put in context. Yes, they're fantastic, but quite a few guys are putting up video game numbers. The way the game is currently played is different than before and leads to bigger numbers.

Ben Simmons can't shoot a lick and is putting up 17/9/8 as a rookie.

Harden's putting up 31.5/9/5 after putting up 29/11/8 last year.

Giannis: 30/10.5/4.5

Since Steph went down, KD is putting up like 34/10/8 (which will continue as long as Steph is out).

Westbrook averaged a triple double last year and is putting up 23/10/9.6 this season.

Even Victor Oladipo is putting up crazy numbers out of nowhere.

 

[Kaypain]

Go ahead and make thread