LeBron Needing 2 Other All-stars Help To Win Ships.....

[#1 pick]

Organizations are the difference. Bulls drafted great and the NBA helps the Lakers in trade negotiations

Cavs drafted bad and spent money on role players no one wanted to play in Cleveland and $16 million on Jamison

You expect him to stay and play with Jamison, Williams , Varejao and randoms


Mavs team routinely won 60+ games and never won anything were they extremely talented or overrated?

Cavs after Lebron had a historic dropoff in wins due to Bron leaving. Same team just minus Bron

Cleveland bombed in one draft and the Carlos Boozer blunder cost them a ring or two.
For the most part, Lebron just made Cleveland too good unlike MJ did with the Bulls where they were able to get high draft picks to land guys like Pippen.

 

[#1 pick]

They were talented. Minus Shaq, Ilgauskas, Varejão, Mo Will, Delonte West... With an addition of rookies, D-League players, guys that were being shuffled in on a ten day contract, and a former coach of the year being fired. But yeah, same team just minus LeBron.

Mo Will was on that team tho. So was Varejao.

Without Bron, 40 more games lost.
Without MJ, 2 more games lost and they were screwed in Game 7 v. the Knicks wirh 2.3 seconds left.

MJ is overrated.

 

[YouLoveMe]

lebron is still improving hes not done yet

28 years old, 10 years in the league, 2 ships and 4 mvps....and he's still improving??

At this stage in his career he should be adding more moves, making sure his game doesn't fall off by working on it, not improving.

Kobe is a complete player but yet year after year he comes back with new moves. Dirk step back fade away.

 

[Reggie]

Of course he needed another superstar and another very good player too win the ring. Most championship teams do, including Jordan's Bulls. Even with that it has not be a cakewalk to either title so to act like they just teamed up and took over the league easily is preposterous. It would have been nice for him to win a title in Cleveland first but he gave them seven years and he had a better opportunity and joined forces with Wade and Bosh. But let's not act like other great teams haven't been gifted good to great players in trades or signed free agents to help them win titles either. Jerry West basically gave Pau to the Lakers (his old squad) and that is seen as ok. McHale gives KG to his former team out of all the teams in the league and that is just fine. We just say that KG Pierce and Allen just wanted to win before they retired. Well if they were a bit smarter they would have teamed up in their late 20's instead of their early 30's and then maybe they would be working on 4 or 5 titles. But we'll never know. They at least got one out the deal though. But these guys had a plan and maybe it was known ahead of time that they would team up and they decided to team up for the greater good and take less money at that. Maybe it would have been good for teams if Bron went to NY with Stoudemire to face off for supremacy against Wade and Bosh and Melo and Rose but was it really the best basketball decision for him to go to NY or stay with Cleveland with the opportunity he had in front of him with the Heat.

 

[Reggie]

28 years old, 10 years in the league, 2 ships and 4 mvps....and he's still improving??

At this stage in his career he should be adding more moves, making sure his game doesn't fall off by working on it, not improving.

Kobe is a complete player but yet year after year he comes back with new moves. Dirk step back fade away.

Everything you just said he should do is a part of improving your game bruh.

 

[YouLoveMe]

Everything you just said he should do is a part of improving your game bruh.

Adding not improving.

When you suck at shooting you go in the gym to work on "improving" it.

 

[hayesc0]

Lets look at some of the team shall we?

-Smush Parker: Plays 34 MPG and starts all 82 games in 2006 while averaging 12-4. He averaged 3 PPG the previous year. In 2007 he averaged 11-3 on 30 MPG and 82 starts with Kobe. Then in 2008 without Kobe he plays in 28 games (2 starts) and sucks. That was his last season in the NBA. So 2006 Smush was just 2 years away from being out of the NBA.
-Chris Mihm: Scores a career high 10.2 PPG and 6.3 Reb. Starts 56 games and plays 26 MPG. He also started 75 games in 2005. He doesn't play in the 2007 season and for the rest of his career he plays in just 41 games and averages about 10 MPG
-Plays 72 games (49 starts) and averages 7-7(career high) In 2007 he averages 8-6 on career high FG% and TS%.
-Brian Cook: He averages 8-3 while starting 46 games and playing 19 MPG. This season was a career high for him in MPG and FG%. In 2007 he averaged 7-3 in 15 MPG and shot 45%. He shot .388 since 2008. After the Lakers got rid of him in 2008, he started 0 games in his career
-Devean George: Averages 6-4, 40%, in 22 MPG. He leaves the Lakers and joins the Mavs in 07 and averaged 6-4, .395 on 21 MPG. After that he averaged 3.7 PPG (.357), 3.4 PPG (.380), 5.4 PPG (.432) and he hasn't played in the NBA since 2010
-LaRon Profit: plays 11 MPG and averages 4.2 PPG on a career high .476 FG% in 2006. He never plays in an NBA game after this season.

See the constant theme? Lots of bums who either played like bums or had career years because of the attention Kobe attracted. It was a miracle they made the playoffs in the west with that lack of talent. It should be noted Lamar odom has been arguably the worst player in the league when he left Kobe's side in 2012

nikka get the fukk out of here with that bullshyt the team was full of bums had nothing to do with kobe making them better it was just simply alot of players that should have been at the end of the bench playing extended minutes we have seen other bums get to many minutes and there numbers go up

 

[kidsinamerica_]

Mo Will was on that team tho. So was Varejao.

Mo got traded that season. He only played 30 plus games in Cleveland. Also the Cavaliers lost Varejao for that season due to injury.

Without Bron, 40 more games lost.
Without MJ, 2 more games lost and they were screwed in Game 7 v. the Knicks wirh 2.3 seconds left.

MJ is overrated.

I don’t know what MJ have to do with this thread topic, but I agree MJ is overrated as far as being the most valuable player to the win-loss column.

 

[Sunalmighty]

Mo Will was on that team tho. So was Varejao.

Without Bron, 40 more games lost.
Without MJ, 2 more games lost and they were screwed in Game 7 v. the Knicks wirh 2.3 seconds left.

MJ is overrated.

after 18 months off, MJ returns. 94-95, team wins 55 games, second year, they weren't going to make the playoffs. Jordan returns, exit the playoffs in the second year...95-96, 72-10 record and the second run of three straight titles. Or is it the, "Advanced Analytics". Did I forget to mention the regular season and post season mvps, scoring titles, all star votes, and whatever else the nicca did? MJ is the shyt, that's why niccas use him as the measuring stick for greatness, but say he is overrated.

 

[BlackFeet]

Mo Will was on that team tho. So was Varejao.

Without Bron, 40 more games lost.
Without MJ, 2 more games lost and they were screwed in Game 7 v. the Knicks wirh 2.3 seconds left.

MJ is overrated.

So u just wanna forget how in '95 Pippen barely had them above .500 before Jordan and leads them to 12 games over .500

 

[McPiff]

28 years old, 10 years in the league, 2 ships and 4 mvps....and he's still improving??

At this stage in his career he should be adding more moves, making sure his game doesn't fall off by working on it, not improving.

Kobe is a complete player but yet year after year he comes back with new moves. Dirk step back fade away.

BAN THIS fakkit ALREADY

 

[tofuspeedstar]

I do. I don't see how it's much different than the Miami thing, w/ the exception of a few years age-wise. Garnett & Allen were still in their prime (albeit tail-end), and Pierce had his best season just two seasons prior. U bring up a good point, this somehoe magically gets swept under the rug, while the Miami Big 3 get constantly villified for it

it boils down to HOW Miami did it. LBJ announced that shyt in an hour long debacle.


Boston just signed or traded for their big 3. There was a few minute bit on it when the news broke on ESPN.

I stared at LBJ's receding hairline and flannel shirt wearing ass for a good hour hoping he'd troll Wade/Bosh and go to Chicago or some shyt. I lost respect for him no matter what cause of the way he left.

But nothing else on TV was good that day so

 

[OGmittee]

BAN THIS fakkit ALREADY

Word. Dude made a thread how D-Wades titles are void because hes garbage and was carried by Lebron...then turns around and makes a thread about Lebrons titles being invalid cus he hooked up with an all star like Wade to carry him

The oversight on this forum by moderators is

TS is basically spamming, no redeeming qualities about his trolling.

 

[BlackFeet]

it boils down to HOW Miami did it. LBJ announced that shyt in an hour long debacle.


Boston just signed or traded for their big 3. There was a few minute bit on it when the news broke on ESPN.

I stared at LBJ's receding hairline and flannel shirt wearing ass for a good hour hoping he'd troll Wade/Bosh and go to Chicago or some shyt. I lost respect for him no matter what cause of the way he left.

But nothing else on TV was good that day so

true, true. Still doesn't take too much from the fact that that Boston triple-team was on some bytchmade-type shyt. They did the same thing Miami did, minus the media bullshyt

 

[NYC Rebel]

it boils down to HOW Miami did it. LBJ announced that shyt in an hour long debacle.


Boston just signed or traded for their big 3. There was a few minute bit on it when the news broke on ESPN.

I stared at LBJ's receding hairline and flannel shirt wearing ass for a good hour hoping he'd troll Wade/Bosh and go to Chicago or some shyt. I lost respect for him no matter what cause of the way he left.

But nothing else on TV was good that day so

So you have more respect when a GM puts something together moreso than a player.

Ok....