Lebron passed Kobe as the youngest ever to score 29K points

[MalikReloaded]

And without Shaq, Bron would have 3 rings

Shaq is not being compared to Kobe in this thread, it's Kobe and LeBron. If dudes wanna sit here and say Shaq held Kobe back as a scorer and "hindered" his career totals then the "rings rings rings" argument goes out the window since Kobe would undoubtedly have less rings but many more 30 PPG seasons on middling teams.

Without Wade, Ray and Bosh, Bron would have 1 ring though

Real nikkas don't up and hop on a plane when they lose. Kobe didn't. Jordan didn't. Duncan didn't. Bird didn't. Hakeem didn't. Magic didn't. Kareem didn't. Your fukkboy LeBron did though

He's also somehow getting a "pass" for assembling a superteam in Cleveland. Kobe would've got slandered if he had Wade, Rose, Isiah Thomas, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love and Jae Crowder on one team but, when you got a horde of dikksucking fans around the world you get a pass for that, I guess

 

[Shadow King]

Without Wade, Ray and Bosh, Bron would have 1 ring though

Real nikkas don't up and hop on a plane when they lose. Kobe didn't. Jordan didn't. Duncan didn't. Bird didn't. Hakeem didn't. Magic didn't. Kareem didn't. Your fukkboy LeBron did though

He's also somehow getting a "pass" for assembling a superteam in Cleveland. Kobe would've got slandered if he had Wade, Rose, Isiah Thomas, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love and Jae Crowder on one team but, when you got a horde of dikksucking fans around the world you get a pass for that, I guess

Forget free agency wasn't a concept when half the nikkas listed was in their primes, brehs
Forget prime Kobe "the most skilled player to ever live" had seasons missing the playoffs, brehs.
Forget Kobe was bytching and crying to the Busses to get help or send him to his rival Spurs or Suns or the Bulls, brehs
Forget he was kissing his daddy Jordan's hand to wear 23 in Chicago since he was serious on leaving, brehs
Act like the Cleveland Cavaliers are a superteam in one thread to discredit LeBron then go in other threads talking about the roster is washed, brehs
Act like LeBron and Kevin Love are enough to outplay Stephen Curry, Klay, Kevin Durant, and Draymond Green, brehs

It took you 3 players next to Bron to equal Shaq's impact for Kobe. Out of all of LeBron's championship teammates, which one of them was the better player than him and had him in the same role that Kobe was in while next to Shaq?

I'll wait.

 

[Bilz]

Without Wade, Ray and Bosh, Bron would have 1 ring though

Real nikkas don't up and hop on a plane when they lose. Kobe didn't. Jordan didn't. Duncan didn't. Bird didn't. Hakeem didn't. Magic didn't. Kareem didn't. Your fukkboy LeBron did though

He's also somehow getting a "pass" for assembling a superteam in Cleveland. Kobe would've got slandered if he had Wade, Rose, Isiah Thomas, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson, Kevin Love and Jae Crowder on one team but, when you got a horde of dikksucking fans around the world you get a pass for that, I guess

He's getting a pass? You fakkits bring it up every single day.

 

[Flex Luger]

These Stan wars and blind hate for both of these dudes is crazy . Why discredit one to big up the other?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Forget free agency wasn't a concept when half the nikkas listed was in their primes, brehs
Forget prime Kobe "the most skilled player to ever live" had seasons missing the playoffs, brehs.
Forget Kobe was bytching and crying to the Busses to get help or send him to his rival Spurs or Suns or the Bulls, brehs
Forget he was kissing his daddy Jordan's hand to wear 23 in Chicago since he was serious on leaving, brehs
Act like the Cleveland Cavaliers are a superteam in one thread to discredit LeBron then go in other threads talking about the roster is washed, brehs
Act like LeBron and Kevin Love are enough to outplay Stephen Curry, Klay, Kevin Durant, and Draymond Green, brehs

It took you 3 players next to Bron to equal Shaq's impact for Kobe. Out of all of LeBron's championship teammates, which one of them was the better player than him and had him in the same role that Kobe was in while next to Shaq?

I'll wait.

At the moment you typed this you should have realized you weren’t getting a rational or intelligent reply in return. Dude name dropped a soon to be 36 year old wade, way past his prime rose, jr smith as if you can ever rely on him with any consistency, Jae crowder, and Kevin Love as if they play any defense or show any consistency. This clown mentioned IT as if he isn’t maybe the worst defender in the league at his position, is healthy, and is expected to play before January. He ignores the quality of teams LeBron has played in the finals while acting like kobe faced a murderers row. Reggie miller’s Pacers, the 76ers, the nets, the magic . Boston was the only good team on that list and they lost their center during the series . Kobe stans stay bringing the WOAT arguments :laughingphil:

 

[Flex Luger]

At the moment you typed this you should have realized you weren’t getting a rational or intelligent reply in return. Dude name dropped a soon to be 36 year old wade, way past his prime rose, jr smith as if you can ever rely on him with any consistency, Jae crowder, and Kevin Love as if they play any defense or show any consistency. This clown mentioned IT as if he isn’t maybe the worst defender in the league at his position, is healthy, and is expected to play before January. He ignores the quality of teams LeBron has played in the finals while acting like kobe faced a murderers row. Reggie miller’s Pacers, the 76ers, the nets, the magic . Boston was the only good team on that list and they lost their center during the series . Kobe stans stay bringing the WOAT arguments :laughingphil:

It's common knowledge the East was pretty shyt during the Lakers 3-peat and the Western Conference Finals was considered the "real" Finals. Ppl use Shaq's 3 Finals MVP's as the main example of him
carrying Kobe but leave out how shytty the East was back then. But at the end of the days both guys were needed each other just like MJ needed Pip, how Bron needed Wade and Bosh, how Wade needed Shaq, how Kobe needed Pau, and so on and so on.

 

[Shadow King]

These Stan wars and blind hate for both of these dudes is crazy . Why discredit one to big up the other?

One side of "stans" bend reality to suit their muse though.
nikkas in here talking about a Sixers team that got the gentleman's sweep almost beat the Lakers just to discredit Shaq.
Other nikkas acting like the entire Cavs backcourt isn't injured or a shell of themselves (IT, Wade, Rose) and their "floor spacer" and "student of Rodman" can't buy a 3 or remember how to rebound.

Kobe is undoubtedly top 10 OAT but brehs forming their own realities to prop him higher or shyt on LeBron.

 

[MalikReloaded]

Forget free agency wasn't a concept when half the nikkas listed was in their primes, brehs
Forget prime Kobe "the most skilled player to ever live" had seasons missing the playoffs, brehs.
Forget Kobe was bytching and crying to the Busses to get help or send him to his rival Spurs or Suns or the Bulls, brehs
Forget he was kissing his daddy Jordan's hand to wear 23 in Chicago since he was serious on leaving, brehs
Act like the Cleveland Cavaliers are a superteam in one thread to discredit LeBron then go in other threads talking about the roster is washed, brehs
Act like LeBron and Kevin Love are enough to outplay Stephen Curry, Klay, Kevin Durant, and Draymond Green, brehs

It took you 3 players next to Bron to equal Shaq's impact for Kobe. Out of all of LeBron's championship teammates, which one of them was the better player than him and had him in the same role that Kobe was in while next to Shaq?

I'll wait.

Free Agency started in 1988, scrub. Try again. The 90s stars could've easily formed like Voltron back then but didn't because it was considered a bytch move. Bird, Magic, Jordan, Hakeem, Isiah, Malone and Ewing were all playing by 1988 last time I checked

Compare Kobe crying for help to LeBron, brehs....Kobe did it once....Bron does it every season

And last time I checked, Kobe never left fakkit. I rather a nikka complain and work the problems out than to have a nikka who leaves everytime he's upset and you would to as an owner but since you a Bron dikkrider, you can't think about anyone else besides Bron. I'd hire a "Kobe type nikka" 200 times before a "Bron type nikka".

That's why Kobe's rings were sweeter to him because he stayed through the bad years instead of running away like a bytch Bron fakkit ass feels the same way. That's why he was crying with the world's WOAT crying face when he finally got one for Cleveland That was HIS SOUL telling him that it feels good to win a ring against all odds after struggling for years than it does to run away, cheat and stack the deck in your favor unfairly but I continue to let you tell lies to yourself about the Miami years even though Bron's ugly face tells it all

Also, Bron was stacking superteams before Golden State was even a threat you little fakkit fukk outta here Dwade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Battier, Miller to Kyrie, Love, JR and Thompson to Rose, IT, Wade, Love, Thompson, Crowder and JR.

Get all the way the fukk outta here.

Also, Golden State was a direct response to LeBron going to Miami. He created the modern day Superteam. He made Kevin Durant feel comfortable with joining Steph and Klay because he saw that the sports world forgave LeBron after he joined Wade, Bosh and Ray but I don't expect LeBron dikkriders to ever admit to that Less than 3 years after Miami dominates the league, Durant goes to Golden State to create an even better superteam but no, there's no connection there guys

 

[Shadow King]

Free Agency started in 1988, scrub. Try again. NBA players didn't form like Voltron back then because it was considered a bytch move.

Compare Kobe crying for help to LeBron, brehs....Kobe did it once....Bron does it every season

And last time I checked, Kobe never left fakkit. I rather a nikka complain and work the problems out than to have a nikka who leaves everytime he's upset and you would to as an owner but since you a Bron dikkrider, you can't think about anyone else besides Bron. I'd hire a "Kobe type nikka" 200 times before a "Bron type nikka".

That's why Kobe's rings were sweeter to him because he stayed through the bad years instead of running away like a bytch Bron fakkit ass feels the same way. That's why he was crying with the world's WOAT crying face when he finally got one for Cleveland That was HIS SOUL telling him that it feels good to win a ring against all odds after struggling for years than it does to run away, cheat and stack the deck in your favor unfairly but I continue to let you tell lies to yourself about the Miami years even though Bron's ugly face tells it all

Bron was stacking superteams before Golden State was even a thread you little fakkit fukk outta here Dwade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Battier, Miller to Kyrie, Love, JR and Thompson to Rose, IT, Wade, Love, Thompson, Crowder and JR.

Get all the way the fukk outta here.

Also, Golden State came into existence BECAUSE LeBron went to Miami and created the modern day Superteam. He made Kevin Durant feel comfortable with joining Steph because he saw LeBron join Dwade but I don't expect LeBron dikkriders to ever admit to that Less than 3 years after Miami dominates the league, Durant goes to Golden State but there's no connection there

Was 1988 not well after Kareem's prime, during Magic and Bird's prime and at the start of Jordan's prime?
Kobe never left because he was under contract and actually got help. Kobe didn't work shyt out he waited on his employers to work it out for him. If not for Mitch he'd still be shooting 12/38 right now getting smacked by half the West talking bout "ring 4 is coming." I'll let you live in your Mambaland with the rest of that other shyt.

3 banners as the top dog > 2

 

[BigTyme Records]

It's common knowledge the East was pretty shyt during the Lakers 3-peat and the Western Conference Finals was considered the "real" Finals. Ppl use Shaq's 3 Finals MVP's as the main example of him
carrying Kobe but leave out how shytty the East was back then. But at the end of the days both guys were needed each other just like MJ needed Pip, how Bron needed Wade and Bosh, how Wade needed Shaq, how Kobe needed Pau, and so on and so on.

So why does Kobe perform much worse than his own teammate Shaq and LeBron vs the "shytty east"? Soon as you bring this up yall point to what he did in the WC playoffs and deflect away from the finals .....so either the finals matter or they dont....if the East was so shytty kobe should have been more dominant there, he was only the best player in 2 out his 7 trips there , so that 5 rings shyt aint adding up

 

[MalikReloaded]

Was 1988 not well after Kareem's prime, during Magic and Bird's prime and at the start of Jordan's prime?
Kobe never left because he was under contract and actually got help. Kobe didn't work shyt out he waited on his employers to work it out for him. If not for Mitch he'd still be shooting 12/38 right now getting smacked by half the West talking bout "ring 4 is coming." I'll let you live in your Mambaland with the rest of that other shyt.

3 banners as the top dog > 2

Magic was 29 in 1988.
Bird was 32.
Isiah was 27.
Malone was 25.
Barkley was 25.
Jordan was 25.
Drexler was 26.
Ewing was 26.
Hakeem was 26.



None of them even had the thought to join up in their primes. It wasn't a thing back then They wanted to beat each other. Not create supersquads. Get over it nikka. Your boy is a bytch.

If me and you owned franchises. I'd pick Kobe. You'd pick LeBron. After five losing seasons, Kobe would still be there as I put a winning team around him. LeBron would've been bounced on yall and you'd be back in the draft praying Anthony Bennett was the future

 

[Professor Emeritus]

2 Golden State Rings....no Steph Curry MVP.....your stupid logic means he's a bum that got carried

Every time you start trying to make a logical argument.

Can you follow what I said? I DON'T believe in ring-counting. And that's because it takes more than one guy to win a ring, like you just pointed out.

Therefore, to take two players and try to compare them based on that team accomplishment that depended on so many people is poor form. When over half of Lebron's career involves "no teammates better than Mo Williams", it's pretty damn obvious that he doesn't have much of a chance at rings for those 8 years. To count that against him, when other guys like Magic had stacked teams every season they ever played, is unfair.

Now, if you do want to use ring-counting logic, you'd have to count the Finals MVP alone, because either you're claiming that one guy can do it alone or you're admitting context. I'm showing you what the trap is. But I don't use that logic.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I had to just go "neg" and "ignore."

There is no defensible reason to attempt a logical argument with someone who talks like free agency in 1988 was the same as free agency in 2008, or that playing alongside Kareem in LA or Parish/McHale in Boston is the same as playing alongside Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson in Cleveland.

 

[Mad Good Dro]

nikka said battier and miller made the heat a superteam.

 

[Rell Lauren]

Helps that he's been healthy. Kobe lost years off of his career at the end. Probably would have been all time top scorer if his body didn't break down.