This Canadian Cac?
Is that one that had Kobe crying to management and losing 3-1 leads while showing why he deserved his MVP over Kobe?
Lebron passed Kobe as the youngest ever to score 29K points
Is that one that had Kobe crying to management and losing 3-1 leads while showing why he deserved his MVP over Kobe?
BigTyme Records
Superstar
Agree with this, I have Kobe as a fringe top ten player of all time which is really really high praise, don't know why people be tripping when you don't put him in that MJ/Lebron level. Only a select few players ever reach that level, ain't nothing wrong not being on that level
It isn't my stupid argument. I think Rings deserve context. If Lebron won a ring even though he played like absolute trash against the Mavs, his ring wouldn't have changed my perception of him.
Kobe was absolutely vital to winning those rings with Shaq, just like Kyrie/Wade/Bosh was for Bron but saying dumb shyt like 5-2 is an adequate defense is stupid because the logic is trash.
But how you win and winning as the main guy on your team means more for your rings than winning as the number 2. No one thinks Pippen is better than Kobe/Shaq/Duncan because he has 6 rings as an important piece
You can't argue or say that finals is all that matters because It's the biggest stage then ignore Kobe not being the best player on his team for the majority of his rings.
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
This fukking bum just said Shaq had no talent. Kids these days
Cant believe 10 people liked your shyt
Shaq aint ever do that shyt in a game... Hakeem made Shaq look like a bytch
This video is almost always used to high powered cornball shyt that you talk about
A shoot around at an all star game of a 23 year old dude using a pivot foot is remarkable?
2 years after this shaq got fat as fukk and played against 7 foot white scarecrows, he drew doubles
but all he did was back down and elbow the shyt out of people ... Shaq got shyt on by Rodman, Ben Wallace, Hakeem and Philly almost beat the Lakers
with a washed up Mutuombo. Shaq never practiced or even tried to stay in shape and this is the dude you place your faith in? When he says he's better than Wilt and Kareem he needs to get slapped, those nikkas would have rocked his fukking world. If he would have took basketball serious he would have been the GOAT but he never applied himself 2005 Suns had 3 All Stars in Nash, Amare, and Matrix, and 6 players who averaged over 10 points ppg, Lakers only had 1 all star in Bean and only 4 players averaging over 10 ppg, with the rest of the team averaging less than 5 ppg, Kobe's team had no business being in the playoffs, the fact that they they even made it is a testament to his greatness.
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Dwight Howard
Superstar
You didnt watch the games.
Knicksgarbageforever
Banned
There was a point in time where kobe vs Jordan was a argument while Lebron was still with the cavs the first-go round. People not letting that go.
But was Lebron really that much more of a better main guy in the finals than Kobe or did he just have more chances? Like someone else mentioned to you Lebron only has one more finals mvp and one more ring than kobe as a main guy. He also has 8 finals appearances in 14 years. Kobe has 7 in 20 years. He has 7 consecutive finals appearances where as kobe only has 3. So is that a testament to Lebron being more of main guy or just a guy given more chances in a watered down east where he got to skip to the finals? The lakers were horrific after they’re last finals appearance and Kobe’s body broke down in the years to follow. I think Lebron is better than kobe, but the finals is not a good representation of that. That’s lebrons weak point. Scottie pippen was a sidekick most of his career and never got to achieve anything on his own. If he had 4 rings besides Jordan and atleast 2 rings as the leader. Those 6 rings in total would mean much more. Kareem has been the best player on the floor twice in the finals says his two finals mvps but his impact on the floor makes him one of the ultimate winners. Kobe is 3/4 as the second option and 2/3 as the main guy. He’s one of the ultimate winners because he was an important part of winning throughout his career. On the subject of that dallas series Lebron wasn’t even remotely significant in that finals. If he was and D-wade still won FMVP that’s not knock on Lebron. The knock is him doing little to nothing to help d-wade. All and all I agree that we should put more emphasis on finals performances instead of just the rings themselves but even with context Lebron finals is mediocre compared to everyone else he’s mentioned with. Since he’s in that league with Jordan and Kareem more emphasis will be placed on rings because those two(Jordan and Kareem) proved themselves in that area. Lebron has had a more of iconic series than Kobe(2016) but outside of that what has Lebron done in the finals compared to his peers? Especially when it comes to winning? A triple double? Tom Brady couldn’t be ahead of Joe Montana until he surpassed him. Now that Lebron has entered the top 3 we have to start evaluating what he has done and he’s mediocre when you match him next to Jordan or Kareem. I also see you mention the Phoenix Suns. Put those 05-07 Cavs in the lakers place out West and Lebron would of been on the phone with management to go join Wade and bosh sooner than 2010. He has done far more crying and bytching than Kobe has throughout his career. I think that’s something we can all agree on.
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MalikReloaded
All Star
Your logic is trash and completely fueled by your hatred towards Kobe
This shyt only became an argument when Kobe came in the league because fukkboys needed an excuse to shyt on him. Where was this argument about who was the man and who wasn't when Kareem and Magic played together....the Kareem who only won 2 Finals MVPs out of 6 Rings....or Mchale, Bird and Parish....or Moses Malone and Dr. J.....or KG, Paul Pierce and Ray. Or teams that didn't win rings like Shaq and Penny.....Payton and Kemp....Stockton and Malone....Ewing and Starks.....Hardaway and Alonzo....Glen Rice and Larry Johnson.....or Reggie, Mark Jackson and Jalen Rose. Nobody was arguing this dumb shyt. Nobody was bringing up that garbage argument trying to discredit people's rings/success because there were no butthurt Kobe haters around yet who had a vested interest in perpetuating this argument to prop up LeBron over Kobe.....Mose Malone averaged 24 points in '83, Dr. J put up 21 points but, since Moses Malone got the Finals MVP, that means Dr. J got carried. TRASH ARGUMENT
The Golden State Warriors showed this logic is and will always be trash. Steph Curry has NO Finals MVPs. Durant has one. Iguodala has the other. This "Kobe Hater" logic means Steph got carried to his rings.
Should OKC ever win a Finals....who's the man on the team out of Westbrook, Melo and Paul George. The "Kobe Hater" logic would mean that two out of the Melo/Paul George/Westbrook trio got carried to their ring and aren't deserving of being celebrated.
Stupid ass logic.
Sure, he needs to keep up a 24-25ppg pace for the next 2 years and I think he has it in the bag. Remember, he won't end his career chucking it like Kobe did to get his numbers.
I can legit see LeBron damn near pull off a 10-10-10 triple double season as his career winds down.
MalikReloaded
All Star
As long as you devolve into pure ring-counting for guys who weren't even leading their team, you gonna have people bringing up context.
If you admit that Shaq can't have all the credit for the ring, then you admitting that ring-counting is stupid because you don't get a ring on your own.
2 Golden State Rings....no Steph Curry MVP.....your stupid logic means he's a bum that got carried
MalikReloaded
All Star
The Big Three era pretty much put an end to the "Kobe Hater" logic. It was always a garbage argument. Nobody used it back in the 80s and 90s. Manufactured to hate on Kobe by butthurt LeBron fans.
The logic falls apart in 2017 because it's based on butthurt emotion, not a cogent foundation.
Should the Timberwolves win, who's the man out of Wiggins, Towns and Butler. And if one of them is the man, according to the Kobe Hater logic, the other two out of the Butler/Towns/Wiggins trio are bums who got carried. Stupid.
Should OKC win a ring....who's the man out of Melo, PG & Westbrook and does that mean the other two are bums? If we adhere to Kobe's Law, they are.
If Chris Paul gets the MVP over Harden, is Harden a bum and vice versa? Kobe Haters say so.
If Philly ever gets their shyt together and wins a ring....who's the man on the team out of Fultz, Embiid and Simmons? The Kobe Hater logic means that based on whoever gets the MVP, the other two out of the Fultz, Embiid and Simmons collective are BUMS WHO GOT CARRIED.
Stupid ass logic
The logic falls apart in 2017 because it's based on butthurt emotion, not a cogent foundation.
Should the Timberwolves win, who's the man out of Wiggins, Towns and Butler. And if one of them is the man, according to the Kobe Hater logic, the other two out of the Butler/Towns/Wiggins trio are bums who got carried. Stupid.
Should OKC win a ring....who's the man out of Melo, PG & Westbrook and does that mean the other two are bums? If we adhere to Kobe's Law, they are.
If Chris Paul gets the MVP over Harden, is Harden a bum and vice versa? Kobe Haters say so.
If Philly ever gets their shyt together and wins a ring....who's the man on the team out of Fultz, Embiid and Simmons? The Kobe Hater logic means that based on whoever gets the MVP, the other two out of the Fultz, Embiid and Simmons collective are BUMS WHO GOT CARRIED.
Stupid ass logic
MalikReloaded
All Star
And without Shaq, Bron would have 3 ringsDon't play that game. If Shaq never played with Kobe, he would have 1 ring
Shaq is not being compared to Kobe in this thread, it's Kobe and LeBron. If dudes wanna sit here and say Shaq held Kobe back as a scorer and "hindered" his career totals then the "rings rings rings" argument goes out the window since Kobe would undoubtedly have less rings but many more 30 PPG seasons on middling teams.