Lebron Picks His Top 3 All-Time NBA Players

[chuckifubuck]

there's so much dumb shyt in this thread

 

[Walt]

I can see we're just going to argue against controlling narratives. The controlling narrative is that Vince was an underachieving, softy, while Dr. J is this unquestioned legend and a top player of all time. Its almost impossible to argue against established conclusions that are so popular.

I dont think the facts square with this. DJ dominated a watered down ABA league, and experienced an immediate and significant drop off in production the year of the merger, and managed one nba titel. If anybody wants to provide evidence on why my claim is ridiculous, and why Dr J is anything close to one of the 3 best players of all time outside of anything powered by nostalgia and bias, Im all ears. Saying Dr. J is comparable to Vince is far more reasonable than saying hes a GOAT candidate. The latter is insanity.

I don't care about controlling narratives. And Vince Carter is an underachieving softy. I've actually played against Vince Carter, and he is by far one of the most talented players of his generation. Since before the NBA I've been telling people how special he is when he's on his A game. Still, he has been prone to drifting generally under-utilizing his phenomenal ability to play basketball since college. There were games when he was improbably the 4th best Carolina player on the court. With his talent, that's incredible.

But I don't even care about that. Because Vince Carter was still amazing at playing basketball in the NBA and uniquely entertaining to watch. But he does nothing clearly better than Dr. J except shoot 3s at a better rate and a higher frequency. He shoots freethrows slightly better, and is a better in-game dunker, but even that's close. And Dr. J didn't experience some astronomical drop in production when he joined the NBA, he simply had more talented teammates than he did in the ABA, so the number of shots he took went down. He still shot around or above 50% year in and year out, was a better rebounder than Vince, a much better defender, was an efficient scoring machine, actually had a mean jumper (the myth that has prevailed is Dr. J drove and dunked for all his points, which is simply not the case) and in addition to leading a team to a championship, the years he came up short he often he went toe-to-toe with some of the best players and best teams of all time in some of the most grueling playoff matchups ever. Their careers aren't really comparable. To say someone would "have a hard time" making a case for Dr. J being better than Vince Carter is, at the very least, a gross overstatement, and could be labeled as patently absurd.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

The same advantages as a basketball player Michael Jordan has over larry bird Kobe does as well.

So one would be a hypocrite saying MJ is better and not Kobe. I feel the same way about Magic

MJ's stats shyt on Kobe's

 

[HarlemsOwn]

The same advantages as a basketball player Michael Jordan has over larry bird Kobe does as well.

So one would be a hypocrite saying MJ is better and not Kobe. I feel the same way about Magic

exactly

kobe is literally the reincarnation of jordan

 

[jerniebert]

I don't know what it is about basketball discussion on the coli that makes some people go full retard.

 

[Walt]

kobe is literally the reincarnation of jordan

 

[madness]

dude can't even give his opinion on the history of his profession without getting hate

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

if bird played in todays era he would be TRASH

end of story

every nba great is reincarnated

kobe - jordan
lebron - magic
melo - barkley

lol kevin love and bird share the same similarities

and look at love

that nikka bird would get washed in todays game

the fukk nikka wasnt athletic at all

stop lettin these white nikkas brainwash you

Melo = Barkley?

Love = Bird?

I don even know what to say.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

there's so much dumb shyt in this thread

Yeah I started to reply to so much shyt but I think your post pretty much sums it all up.

This thread went full retard real fast. I'm out.

 

[HarlemsOwn]

Melo = Barkley?

Love = Bird?

I don even know what to say.

nikka bird would be no more than love in todays game

he wouldnt even be a great if he played in todays era

you know thats truee

 

[Lakerman0834]

i think hes trying to hard to seem like a student of the game with those names.

 

[Da_Eggman]

exactly

kobe is literally the reincarnation of jordan

you might be breaking a record for most retarded posts in a thread

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I don't care about controlling narratives. And Vince Carter is an underachieving softy. I've actually played against Vince Carter, and he is by far one of the most talented players of his generation. Since before the NBA I've been telling people how special he is when he's on his A game. Still, he has been prone to drifting generally under-utilizing his phenomenal ability to play basketball since college. There were games when he was improbably the 4th best Carolina player on the court. With his talent, that's incredible.

But I don't even care about that. Because Vince Carter was still amazing at playing basketball in the NBA and uniquely entertaining to watch. But he does nothing clearly better than Dr. J except shoot 3s at a better rate and a higher frequency. He shoots freethrows slightly better, and is a better in-game dunker, but even that's close. And Dr. J didn't experience some astronomical drop in production when he joined the NBA, he simply had more talented teammates than he did in the ABA, so the number of shots he took went down. He still shot around or above 50% year in and year out, was a better rebounder than Vince, a much better defender, was an efficient scoring machine, actually had a mean jumper (the myth that has prevailed is Dr. J drove and dunked for all his points, which is simply not the case) and in addition to leading a team to a championship, the years he came up short he often he went toe-to-toe with some of the best players and best teams of all time in some of the most grueling playoff matchups ever. Their careers aren't really comparable. To say someone would "have a hard time" making a case for Dr. J being better than Vince Carter is, at the very least, a gross overstatement, and could be labeled as patently absurd.

Admittedly, my statement was more for effect in response Lebron's statement, than a serious discussion over who had the better career: vince or Dr. J. Although I will concede the point, I dont think the disparity between the two is as great as people conclude . Dr. J was a better career shooter (although Vince noticeably improved playing with kidd, as opposed to garbage Toronto PG's). As you sort of hinted, I dont think there is any question who played with the better teammates, which obviously impacts production. Their respective careers stat wise says to me that one did things a lil better, the other a lil better. Dr. J's NBA career doesnt really leap off the page. Its a fair comparison in my book.

 

[Da_Eggman]

i think hes trying to hard to seem like a student of the game with those names.

Yeah cuz nobody has ever heard of Jordan, bird and dr j

 

[Street Knowledge]

MJ's stats shyt on Kobe's

We're talking about ability. What does mike do better then larry? Better scorer and better defensively(m2M D not even close)

Same thing for Kobe