"Lebron statements were correct on ring culture" Gilbert Arenas & T-Mac explains to Stephen A Smith why Lebron was right!

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Why do we even compare MJ to Bron?

Outside of the whole "face of the league" shyt, it never made much sense. Kobe, Dwade, MJ, Drexler etc., I get.

Bron was/is Magic stuck in Malone's body but closer to Wilt in terms of athletic ability. He can score but his instinct has always been to pass & facilitate. MJ could pass/facilitate but his primary instinct was to score.

I understand comparing resumes, but it's apples & oranges when comparing them as actual players. Wilt was a better athlete than MJ or Bron. Russell had more rings than MJ AND Bron combined. Neither was the best defender at their peak....Hakeem and Pippen were both better defenders than MJ and we know Bron was never thought of as the "best" defender in most years.

For every argument in favor of Bron, you can argue something in favor of MJ....and then you can find players that beat boffem in certain ways.

 

[TheNig]

So Paul Pierce is wrong? Gilbert Arenas is right?

 

[Piff Perkins]

Why do we even compare MJ to Bron?

Outside of the whole "face of the league" shyt, it never made much sense. Kobe, Dwade, MJ, Drexler etc., I get.

Bron was/is Magic stuck in Malone's body but closer to Wilt in terms of athletic ability. He can score but his instinct has always been to pass & facilitate. MJ could pass/facilitate but his primary instinct was to score.

I understand comparing resumes, but it's apples & oranges when comparing them as actual players. Wilt was a better athlete than MJ or Bron. Russell had more rings than MJ AND Bron combined. Neither was the best defender at their peak....Hakeem and Pippen were both better defenders than MJ and we know Bron was never thought of as the "best" defender in most years.

For every argument in favor of Bron, you can argue something in favor of MJ....and then you can find players that beat boffem in certain ways.

You could argue he was compared specifically because of ring culture though, which is largely just Michael Jordan culture. This started as a way for predominantly white sports voices to gatekeep not only LeBron's greatness but the validity of the entire league. It was always about saying basketball isn't as good as when xyz was playing, basketball isn't good anymore, (black) athletes are entitled now, LeBron represents modern basketball and athletes....unlike the saint Michael Jordan.

They don't give a fukk about Magic Johnson because he's not Jordan. They don't give a fukk about Bill Russell, who has twice as many rings, because he's not Jordan. They don't give a fukk about BASKETBALL. And I am predominantly talking about white sports commentators, so before someone says "bububu these arguments are in the barbershops too" lets be real. The predominant reaction to Bron initially from BLACK people was oh wow, this guy is good. The predominant reaction to Bron initially white WHITE people was....high school player, single mom, no father, hip hop, bling bling, entitled etc....unlike the saint Michael Jordan. They pushed that shyt hard until some of us started saying it. Manufactured consent.

 

[Osmosis]

Kobe’s “second fiddle” rings were more earned and way more impactful than Bron’s super team rings as “the number 1” and all KDs rings as “1a/1b” to Steph. These nikkas hate competition.

Yeah, Kobe's 15 PPG on 36 FG% in the 2000 finals was more impactful than Bron's 30 point triple double against a 73-9 team

 

[Trojan 24]

Fags in here crying people don't annoit someone the GOAT without rings now?

The GOAT is by definition the absolute best. Jordan or Gretzky didn't need them because it was clear they were pushing their game to a stratosphere never seen before. And guess what the rings followed. The ring chasing stat padding hoe is simply not good enough to be given GOAT status

Shohei is pretty much straddling this line right now. Baseball cacs probably won't ever annoit him because the game values career stats so much. But they'll probably still tell you he's the greatest talent to ever touch a baseball

 

[Peruvian Connect]

So Paul Pierce is wrong? Gilbert Arenas is right?

Gilbert ain't riht. He made valid points but in the end he is wrong. Yes, Magic had Kareem, but Kareem wasn't winning shiit without Magic, Yes they got gifted Worthy but Magic already had two rings and is Worthy great by his own merit or by team merits? Is games Worthy really a top 30 Forward?

The whole knock on Kobe was he was selfish and didn't make his teammates better, LeBron on the other hand made the game so much easier for other players because of his selflessness and high Bball IQ.

T-Mac is amd because they said he choked a 3-1 lead. Which he did, e sat there and said Grant Hill our best player was out. That's a loser mentality. e had surpassed Hill in most peoples eyes,

Arenas also used the car analogy. If a nikka don't know how to drive stick or no handle a car at a high rate of speed, he gonna fukk up the Porsche and the person driving the civic with expertise is gonna win. Having the best technology and equipment don't mean shiit if you can't operate it.

 

[NotAHotep]

Why do we even compare MJ to Bron?

Outside of the whole "face of the league" shyt, it never made much sense. Kobe, Dwade, MJ, Drexler etc., I get.

Bron was/is Magic stuck in Malone's body but closer to Wilt in terms of athletic ability. He can score but his instinct has always been to pass & facilitate. MJ could pass/facilitate but his primary instinct was to score.

I understand comparing resumes, but it's apples & oranges when comparing them as actual players. Wilt was a better athlete than MJ or Bron. Russell had more rings than MJ AND Bron combined. Neither was the best defender at their peak....Hakeem and Pippen were both better defenders than MJ and we know Bron was never thought of as the "best" defender in most years.

For every argument in favor of Bron, you can argue something in favor of MJ....and then you can find players that beat boffem in certain ways.

LeBron averages 27 in the regular and 28 in the playoffs. He’s a scorer who can pass.

He LeBron. He’s his own prototype.

 

[etrofllenrod504]

You have to be intentionally obtuse to not understand that Championships are what SEPARATES the greatest players among the OTHER greatest players. Rings are what you use to "split hairs" when you have 2 COMPARABLE players. COMPARABLE ONLY.

Trying to argue anything else betrays your true intention which is to lessen your own failures or to lessen someone else's. This fits TMac and Gil to a tee.

The issue is nobody wants to talk about the variables. The GM, the coach, the organization as a whole. They will shyt on a great player and say HE didn’t get it done. Same as if he wins it was HE who got it done. Then now it’s if you do play for a great team, that diminishes your greatness. There is literally no winning in NBA debates. The goal post gets moved so much the playing field looks like Swiss cheese. The reality is also the media has ALOT to do with why the conversations are so trash. You don’t EVER hear NFL media do like nba does. Nobody goes when Ja marr Chase has a bad game, “Jerry Rice would’ve never dropped that pass in that situation and that why can’t be considered one of the greats”. NBA media do the shyt all day everyday. ESPN were shytting on SGA cause JWill dropped 40….”Jordan would have never been outscored by the second option on his team”. This it what happens lol. Then the ring culture makes it WORSE. NFL media don’t do that. Most people have Barry Sanders as the GOAT running back! NOBODY knocks him below Emmitt due to rings. NBA debates are trash.

 

[bl2k8]

The issue is nobody wants to talk about the variables. The GM, the coach, the organization as a whole. They will shyt on a great player and say HE didn’t get it done. Same as if he wins it was HE who got it done. Then now it’s if you do play for a great team, that diminishes your greatness. There is literally no winning in NBA debates. The goal post gets moved so much the playing looks like Swiss cheese. The reality is also the media has ALOT to do with why the conversations are so trash. You don’t EVER hear NFL media do like nba does. Nobody goes when Ja marr Chase has a bad game, “Jerry Rice would’ve never dropped that pass in that situation and that why can’t be considered one of the greats”. NBA media do the shyt all day everyday. ESPN were shytting on SHA cause JWill dropped 40….”Jordan would have never been outscored by the second option on his team”. This it what happens lol. Then the ring culture makes it WORSE. NFL media don’t do that. Most people have Barry Sanders as the GOAT running back! NOBODY knocks him below Emmitt due to rings. NBA debates are trash.

I’m sick of some of y’all nfl this nfl that. It’s apples to oranges. They shouldn’t have ring culture. It’s 22 mfs on the field at one time, nba rings will always hold more weight individually when talking hall of fame players

 

[KFBF]

Most people have Barry Sanders as the GOAT running back!

Is this true? Feel like I've seen more people on here mention Adrian Peterson. There are definitely people that put Emmit ahead of Barry because of rings or the longevity records he has.

Why should McGrady be treated the same as Kobe? Theyre both in the HOF McGrsdy has gotten the respect that he's deserved. AI is revered without rings. There's levels. No one is going to pretend LeBron and PG are the same tier of player.

 

[UpAndComing]

7:20


Gil really bringing his Gil's Arena trolling BS to ESPN


The disrespect of a champion who actually contributed to the team is crazy though

 

[NYC Rebel]

. There are definitely people that put Emmit ahead of Barry because of rings or the longevity records he has.

And they are outliers. The CONSENSUS is Barry is viewed as better.

 

[etrofllenrod504]

Is this true? Feel like I've seen more people on here mention Adrian Peterson. There are definitely people that put Emmit ahead of Barry because of rings or the longevity records he has.

Why should McGrady be treated the same as Kobe? Theyre both in the HOF McGrsdy has gotten the respect that he's deserved. AI is revered without rings. There's levels. No one is going to pretend LeBron and PG are the same tier of player.

same concept breh. AP isnt a champion. He's ranked by those due to watching his ability and individual accolades. Kobe has more individual accoladed than Tmac so no hes shouldnt be on same level. Ring culture completely disregards a players stature. AI also has a league MVP another individual accolade. Ring culture will act like said player aint shyt if he didnt win a ring and completely disregard organization, coach, gm, and teammates.

 

[etrofllenrod504]

Fags in here crying people don't annoit someone the GOAT without rings now?

The GOAT is by definition the absolute best. Jordan or Gretzky didn't need them because it was clear they were pushing their game to a stratosphere never seen before. And guess what the rings followed. The ring chasing stat padding hoe is simply not good enough to be given GOAT status

Shohei is pretty much straddling this line right now. Baseball cacs probably won't ever annoit him because the game values career stats so much. But they'll probably still tell you he's the greatest talent to ever touch a baseball

“I would never have called him the greatest player I’d ever seen if I didn’t mean it,” Bird told The Boston Globe. “It’s just God disguised as Michael Jordan.”

they were already calling MJ GOAT before he ever started winning chips.

Yes, Michael Jordan was called the GOAT (Greatest of All Time) on a magazine cover before winning his first NBA championship in 1991. Specifically, a March 1989 GQ magazine cover declared him "The Best There Ever Was," even though he hadn't yet won a championship. This occurred over two years before his first title, highlighting how early his legendary status was recognized.

 

[KFBF]

Ring culture completely disregards a players stature.

I know that's what people are saying ring culture is but if that were the case you'd see way more arguments about Horry or Kerr being goat contenders.

You have outliers in every sports fanbase saying stupid shyt. People would regularly say Peyton wasn't shyt to prop up Brady.