Lebron Sued by Steve Mitchell For posting a photo of himself on IG

Is this fair or foul?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 42.4%
  • No

    Votes: 19 57.6%

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Higher Tech

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That's the only thing that would stop me from siding with Bron,. I think it's incredibly stupid to destroy a potentially lucrative business relationship with Lebron James but if he actually reached out to his camp and was ignored then I can understand
There's probably no chance of a relationship. Thousands of different photographers take game shots of Bron and Bron probably finds and uses the pics as he pleases. In 09 I was working for a studio that was contacted by LeBron. The studio went to him and did the whole shoot for free and never worked with him again. The markets are so saturated that a guy with LeBron's stature has probably never paid for photos of himself, and he ran into a photographer that wants his credit.
 

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I dont get it


Millions of people posts pictures taken by photographers of celebrities and athletes everyday on social media. I dont see them getting sued. What's the difference here? Nothing besides the person posting the pic. And it's not like Lebron is making profit from it.

If this photographer has a case then thousands of lawsuits should be in the making

If not stfu
A regular photographer could pay a lawyer to sue every person that uses their photo. But that costs a tremendous amount of money, especially since you'd have to constantly be searching for your content, sending cease and desist letters, etc., most photographers don't have that kind of money, so they only go for the big fish. Corporations get sued for this kind of thing often.. very often. Individuals not so much. But when you have an individual who is as big as a corporation that infringes your work, suits like this happen.
 

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I wonder why he didn't just sue The NBA if he was going to make a move like this though. The league just upped there Credit line from 500 million to 1 Billion dollars with ease. And if I'm lebron, I have my LLC, S corp or other business corporation all lined up so you can't sue me the individual Lebron James, you can only sue the business that is "Lebron James" Since the government treats businesses and people as separate entities.
 

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I work in the field, so unfortunately, the photographer is "right" in terms of his intellectual property rights. Took me awhile to learn some years ago, but the production & media field is super locked in with rules and legal regulations, that don't care if you're Lebron or complaining on a message board.

Here is what it is:

Most photographers or anyone are excited to do anything, especially for a rapper or athlete, plus they just pick up cameras, get paid, and shoot.

Real photographers, and likely this guy, eat off the initial gig, but eat for life off of the photos, and yes, they own the photos, unless they signed their rights away, which real photographers almost NEVER do, unless you pay a very large sum.

The reason media is lucrative (music, photos, sounds, etc.) is because you get paid to create that "art".

Now, if you want to use my photo on your website because it's awesome, you have to pay a fee. It's a licensing fee, and it last for as long as you set it up to be - but once it's over (unless lifetime), you can't keep using that image. Also, if you want to use my music/photo/etc in a magazine, it's another fee. Social media, another. A commercial, a movie, a ad, all fees.

Now you can see how iconic photos (and music, etc) set a photographer up for life, and it's only fair.

Also, you have some photographers/musicians etc that are super serious about their craft, and don't really care who you are, they are more in the craft then the business of celebrity. LBJ probably got that photo sent to him or shared, and he posted, as he always would.

The photog probably is wondering how he got the photo, and now, since LBJ posted it, he can no longer license it, because the world has it and will do as they will with it - the value has went down.

So, he is using the LBJ brand/business/LLC (not LBJ himself likely, since major artists and athlete brands are businesses) for IP lost earnings.

Like I said, maybe I wouldn't have done that, but I def know people and work with people that would, because they can eat elsewhere. This dude may not be just an NBA photog, and only cares about his art and earnings.

Just a learning lesson. And if, like someone said above, LBJ cut out the watermark or name, I can see some of my media people not going for that.

Also here is a lesson that may hard for the general public to understand:

Just because someone takes a photo of you, or interview or audio or whatever, does not mean that you own it. You have no legal rights to it, unless it was taken without your permission under secrecy. This does not go for athletes and entertainers in their job setting, politicians, etc. You can't do an interview, not like how you are portrayed, and demand it to come off the internet, for example - that company owns the rights, not you.
 

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Alright then

I'm suing every nikka in here that uses :dame: for here on out because I'm the nikka that made the fukking smiley and I'm serious.
Suing over another man's likeness?? Might as well call that man daddy. :dame:
 

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You always site the source. I can tell you nikkas here are fukking dumb. Twisting this into a race thing. Copyright law exists for a reason. If you take a picture of something and it blows up and that's your means of eating, you should be at least recognized if not cashed out. But you silly fanboys dont understand that. That said, Is he going too far with sueing... yes.
But only if he reached out to Bron and Bron was like 'nahhh'. He should've just asked bron to post its source as a comment.
That’s not how copyright laws work you can’t just sue people for posting images on social media. Only way you might have a case if it’s considered deformation of character. But it’s nothing damaging about Lebron posting a picture of myself he found on the internet. The case is frivolous because Lebron isn’t directing profiting off those images. Nothing to do with no fanboy shyt you saying. It’s a pointless case that will get thrown out. Just like Jordan lawsuit from that photographer that sued Nike. He going against NBA and Lebron that’s multibillion dollar entity. If your case is some bullshyt, you end up wasting time and money.
Nike triumphs in Michael Jordan Jumpman logo lawsuit - CNN
 

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I work in the field, so unfortunately, the photographer is "right" in terms of his intellectual property rights. Took me awhile to learn some years ago, but the production & media field is super locked in with rules and legal regulations, that don't care if you're Lebron or complaining on a message board.

Here is what it is:

Most photographers or anyone are excited to do anything, especially for a rapper or athlete, plus they just pick up cameras, get paid, and shoot.

Real photographers, and likely this guy, eat off the initial gig, but eat for life off of the photos, and yes, they own the photos, unless they signed their rights away, which real photographers almost NEVER do, unless you pay a very large sum.

The reason media is lucrative (music, photos, sounds, etc.) is because you get paid to create that "art".

Now, if you want to use my photo on your website because it's awesome, you have to pay a fee. It's a licensing fee, and it last for as long as you set it up to be - but once it's over (unless lifetime), you can't keep using that image. Also, if you want to use my music/photo/etc in a magazine, it's another fee. Social media, another. A commercial, a movie, a ad, all fees.

Now you can see how iconic photos (and music, etc) set a photographer up for life, and it's only fair.

Also, you have some photographers/musicians etc that are super serious about their craft, and don't really care who you are, they are more in the craft then the business of celebrity. LBJ probably got that photo sent to him or shared, and he posted, as he always would.

The photog probably is wondering how he got the photo, and now, since LBJ posted it, he can no longer license it, because the world has it and will do as they will with it - the value has went down.

So, he is using the LBJ brand/business/LLC (not LBJ himself likely, since major artists and athlete brands are businesses) for IP lost earnings.

Like I said, maybe I wouldn't have done that, but I def know people and work with people that would, because they can eat elsewhere. This dude may not be just an NBA photog, and only cares about his art and earnings.

Just a learning lesson. And if, like someone said above, LBJ cut out the watermark or name, I can see some of my media people not going for that.

Also here is a lesson that may hard for the general public to understand:

Just because someone takes a photo of you, or interview or audio or whatever, does not mean that you own it. You have no legal rights to it, unless it was taken without your permission under secrecy. This does not go for athletes and entertainers in their job setting, politicians, etc. You can't do an interview, not like how you are portrayed, and demand it to come off the internet, for example - that company owns the rights, not you.

The other side of that though is the worth. He is suing for 150k, let say he wins but now the NBA (LeBron) decides to pull his credential, is that 150K going to see him through the rest of his career? Its not always worth being right.
 

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That’s not how copyright laws work you can’t just sue people for posting images on social media. Only way you might have a case if it’s considered deformation of character. But it’s nothing damaging about Lebron posting a picture of myself he found on the internet. The case is frivolous because Lebron isn’t directing profiting off those images. Nothing to do with no fanboy shyt you saying. It’s a pointless case that will get thrown out. Just like Jordan lawsuit from that photographer that sued Nike. He going against NBA and Lebron that’s multibillion dollar entity. If your case is some bullshyt, you end up wasting time and money.
Nike triumphs in Michael Jordan Jumpman logo lawsuit - CNN

Your Jumpman link isn't fully accurate.

You are allowed to recreate a photo if you can significantly change it for art purposes.

Hence the reason you can paint a crazy portrait of Obama using the photographers work as long as it's detailed enough in changes.

Nike is large enough to claim that the Jumpman logo wasn't the guys photo, it was a recreation and thus meets the "art" law of it, and the judge agreed.

This is why the NBA has never officially claimed that Jerry West is logo, as is almost common knowledge, because they would have to pay West, and possibly the photographers etstae where the image came from, if he decided to pursue.

Not sure where you got the "profiting" from image goes, but if my company pays a legitimate media company for image capture, and posts an image on socials, we can still get sued, because we didn't pay for a digital license to share it.
 
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