Lebron the most successful failure in history.

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That's EVERY SINGLE PLAYER EVER! Kobe, Bird, Duncan, and other players that you're comparing him too. You said that Lebron doesn't have a next gear but that's complete bullshyt because he has consistently went into that other gear constantly. You have people who constantly think that other teams can compete with Lebron or that he's lost a step every year but he shows out in the playoffs to show he's still elite.

Lebron is a fukking human being so he's had games where he's struggled or he was obviously frustrated but that's the vast minority. Dude has 3 goddamn rings and 3 FMVPs.
And just like he gets praise when he steps it up he should get criticism when he doesn't.
 

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I've never said he shrunk in the moment a lot but it has happened before. Game 7's aren't the only time for a player to be clutch. I hate that I have to defend myself cause it makes be look like a Bron hater but it is what it is. Love the fact that he got his 3rd ring but let's not act like even in this past series he wasn't playing passively at times. Bron played a whole lot different pre Bogut injury and post Bogut injury. He wasn't as eager to go to the cup with that big 7 footer out there while I personally wanted him to go hard everytime and draw a foul. That's what I mean when I say he plays passively from time to time.

Kobe scored 1 point, in the second half of a game 7 that came when he lost a 3-1 lead but he's not passive yet Lebron is?
 

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You mean to tell me that somebody else on the team contributed :ohhh:? Where they do that at :scust:? Why the fukk would somebody else on the team help out :martin:? I need to know :dwillhuh:

nikkas be mad as fukk when Bron actually gets help :mjlol:.

:Khaled voice: They don't want Bron to have actual help
 

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And just like he gets praise when he steps it up he should get criticism when he doesn't.

Who the fukk says he doesn't deserve criticism? You said he doesn't have a gear like Kobe, Duncan, Magic and the such but you're ignoring other players who have played passively or had bad playoff moments to promote your stupid agenda.
 

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And my point that you overlooked is what other player can you name that has never shrunk in the moment? He's a human, not a perfect robot. Are you really expecting perfection out of this dude? People underestimate what it takes to put on performances like he did in games 5-7 on both ends. That ain't some shyt you can do every night. There is no time that is more clutch and more in need of a great players stepping up than when the season is on the line. When are the stakes higher than that?

Didn't Bron have like 30 pts before Bogut got hurt? He kept his team in the game on the road with the season on the line and Klay going ape shyt in the first half. His problem in the first couple games was actually that he was trying to force the drive too much and not trusting his jumper. You can't go hard every time against a quality defense. That is like saying you want a QB with a big arm to throw it up deep every time. The other team would love that. You have to mix it up and keep them on edge. Once he started doing that he took over the series.
Act like I said Bron doesn't bring it more then he doesn't. That's cool but I'm still not going to act like Bron not stepping up in the clutch hasn't been an issue for him in his 13 year career. I no the man isn't perfect but you damn sure seem to think so if you can say that he has bought it at every critical moment in games or that he hasn't shrunk in the moment at times too. It's been times that Bron has finished with 30 8 and 8 but you wouldn't know it cause 26 of those points came in the first 3 quarters.
 

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And just like he gets praise when he steps it up he should get criticism when he doesn't.

We gonna act like Bron doesn't get criticism even when it's not even warranted :usure:.

Which one of those things is applicable right now though? :jbhmm:
 

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Kobe scored 1 point, in the second half of a game 7 that came when he lost a 3-1 lead but he's not passive yet Lebron is?
I think they were down by a million already, kinda different.

Kobe for the most part goes out bricking. Lebron would start looking real shaky and unsure, there's a difference.

I think that this past series he's realized that he's just better than everybody and I can't not see them winning at least 2 more.
 

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Act like I said Bron doesn't bring it more then he doesn't. That's cool but I'm still not going to act like Bron not stepping up in the clutch hasn't been an issue for him in his 13 year career. I no the man isn't perfect but you damn sure seem to think so if you can say that he has bought it at every critical moment in games or that he hasn't shrunk in the moment at times too. It's been times that Bron has finished with 30 8 and 8 but you wouldn't know it cause 26 of those points came in the first 3 quarters.

Oh so we are just gonna flat out lie? I understand that the truth I am bringing doesn't really have a rebuttal (which is why you have yet to respond to anything I actually said) but there is no need to make up shyt to argue against.
 

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Oh so we are just gonna flat out lie? I understand that the truth I am bringing doesn't really have a rebuttal (which is why you have yet to respond to anything I actually said) but there is no need to make up shyt to argue against.
No different then you flipping my shyt and acting like I said Bron has never had great moments or stepped it up in big games.
 

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We gonna act like Bron doesn't get criticism even when it's not even warranted :usure:.

Which one of those things is applicable right now though? :jbhmm:
Yeah but u Stans (not fans) act like he should be immune from any criticism?
 

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Who the fukk says he doesn't deserve criticism? You said he doesn't have a gear like Kobe, Duncan, Magic and the such but you're ignoring other players who have played passively or had bad playoff moments to promote your stupid agenda.
What agenda? That I believe Bron plays passively at times. That's not an agenda. That's something that I can see with my own two eyes when I watch the game.
 

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I think they were down by a million already, kinda different.

Kobe for the most part goes out bricking. Lebron would start looking real shaky and unsure, there's a difference.

I think that this past series he's realized that he's just better than everybody and I can't not see them winning at least 2 more.

They were down 15 to a team that didn't believe in defense. Damn sure didn't go out bricking against Boston in 08 or Dallas in 11 or Spurs in 04. And BTW going out bricking isn't any better than being too passive. Neither helps your team.
 

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Kobe scored 1 point, in the second half of a game 7 that came when he lost a 3-1 lead but he's not passive yet Lebron is?
Ion even rock with Kobe like that but lets be real the only reason he didn't score but 1 point in the second half is cause he just stopped shooting the ball on some stubborn trying to prove a point type shyt. Kobe is a lot of things but passive isn't one of them.
 

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Yeah but u Stans (not fans) act like he should be immune from any criticism?

He's got nothing :mjlol:. No need to be defensive. You said some shyt that was wrong and it got shut down. It happens :yeshrug:.
 

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I think they were down by a million already, kinda different.

Kobe for the most part goes out bricking. Lebron would start looking real shaky and unsure, there's a difference.

I think that this past series he's realized that he's just better than everybody and I can't not see them winning at least 2 more.

I think this is more how Lebron attacks. If Lebron feels like he's struggling, he tries to look at other ways to help the team by causing a breakdown in rotations and attack with his passing.

People see Lebron stop forcing shots and think he's being passive but it's possible that he just tries to trust his teammates.
 
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