Lebron's offseason workout grind is a problem

[KRiLL (+)]

Bulls & Heat fans riding the Warriors dikk now too?

 

[Auger]

don't need a jumpshot when you can drive

and to be able to drive without the wear and tear you need to be right physically

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

LeBron stans. SMH.

 

[FS4LFE]

LeBron stans. SMH.

Says the nikka who don't know if he's a Bulls or Warriors/Curry stan. At least be consistent.

 

[Gyasi85]

 

[Gyasi85]

Says the nikka who don't know if he's a Bulls or Warriors/Curry stan. At least be consistent.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Says the nikka who don't know if he's a Bulls or Warriors/Curry stan. At least be consistent.

Who the fukk is you?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is also a small size. 4 years compared to 9. Not to mention his basketball peak was in Miami. And his jumper only needs to be on when they most need (the finals).

his jumper started improving around 2009-2010 and got better in Miami. Look at the videos on how squared w/ elevation up he was getting


















.....the bad back made his shot flatter and him return to his bad habit of leaning off to the side

 

[Houston911]

LeBron stans. SMH.

I thought i wqs about to see a crazy workout

I see a picture of him curling then a vid of basic cardio



I can tell op doesnt lift

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

Says the nikka who don't know if he's a Bulls or Warriors/Curry stan. At least be consistent.

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Makes ban bet thread for GS series just in case to avoid gettin clowned for obnoxious stannery if dem nikkas lose*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Argues in favor of Curry & GS all ova da seum literally till da sun comes up...for days*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Projects stan bias on othas afta writin a collective 9 page dissertation on GS & Curry in a single thread.*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Gloats about KD joinin GS*


Aye...Aye...Aye, mane. Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

 

[Originalman]

Jason Kidds best 3 point shootings years happened in his mid to late 30's. Unless you have a broken form I think a jump shot can always be improved. It's all about consistency and confidence.

Jump shots and QB accuracy usually improve as players get older. Normally if a jump shot or QB accuracy get worse as a player gets older it is because of injury.

 

[Originalman]

This is how the Cavs players performed in +/- playing with LeBron versus playing without LeBron on court over the course of the season. To me, these numbers demonstrate the true greatness of LeBron James. Without LeBron, it could be argued that the Cavs are mediocre. The team is lost without him. LeBron carried this team to the championship, not just by making a Herculean effort in the Finals, but he did it throughout the season too. LeBron is the Cavs. The Cavs are LeBron.

WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James                  
             
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                  
           WITH                      WITHOUT 
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

WITH and WITHOUT Love 
                
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

WITH and WITHOUT Delly                          

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   | 
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7

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Nothing but the truth. You could tell during the season how the cavs would get blown out without lebron (when he took games off). But we all knew (those who aren't haters) just how good Lebron was based on how he came back to the cavs and made them a championship team even though they stayed in the lottery trash can for 4 years before him.

Hell he took a team with a broken down hurt Irving and no love to two games short of a championship. No player in the league could have done that and few players in the history of the NBA could have taken that team to the finals (I am talking about few players like Hakeem, Kareem and Wilt).

It is amazing that dude is the best defensive player, scorer, facilitator and passer on the cavs. Dude is so talented and unselfish that if he wanted to he can easily step into the 36 year old magic, 32 year old Oscar Robinson role next to a young superstar and the team he was on wouldn't miss a beat.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Makes ban bet thread for GS series just in case to avoid gettin clowned for obnoxious stannery if dem nikkas lose*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Argues in favor of Curry & GS all ova da seum literally till da sun comes up...for days*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Projects stan bias on othas afta writin a collective 9 page dissertation on GS & Curry in a single thread.*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Gloats about KD joinin GS*


Aye...Aye...Aye, mane. Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

And you're the biggest cornball LeBron stan of them all. Funny how you don't mention me arguing similar things for other players/teams.

 

[GoFlipAPack]

Need to be working on that jumper

He just needs to spend a summer working with Holger Geschwinder.

 

[Ain't That Something]

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Makes ban bet thread for GS series just in case to avoid gettin clowned for obnoxious stannery if dem nikkas lose*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Argues in favor of Curry & GS all ova da seum literally till da sun comes up...for days*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Projects stan bias on othas afta writin a collective 9 page dissertation on GS & Curry in a single thread.*

Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.

*Gloats about KD joinin GS*


Aye...Aye...Aye, mane. Ain't no stans round hea, pleighboi.